moral corruption: creeping at lower ages

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of course this is mainly based on my experiences and the experiences of many people i have talked to, and there are definitely plenty of exceptions, but i generally find that activities which usually occur in senior year and college have creeped down to freshmen/sophomore year of high school, and perhaps down to 8th grade.

14 year olds are being invited to all of these parties. my graduation class at 14 were home on friday nights haha.

smoking has creeped down to the 7th grade. getting drunk, going to a party bus to the beach, and having a lot of sex, is now common in sophomore year. when this used to be senior year activities.

in 2nd and 3rd grade, all the kids were obedient and followed rules without question. then at some point, they start defying the rules. is it puberty? problems at home? or loss of innocence from all that they are exposed to?

what has happened?

Of course you have to realize, as far as the human species goes, the concept that a 14 year old shouldn't be boning or drinking or smoking has only been around like one or two hundred years..... If anything that's the age you're SUPPOSED to be experiencing these things.

Biologically and instinctually, of course. Neither of which have any place in moral theory.....

lol what? 14 year olds are supposed to be drinking and smoking and having sex?

anyways i blame peer pressure

I think my dad started smoking by the time he was 12 years old. But then again, most people from his era smoked. He was born in 1927. I think it was still considered low class for women to smoke until maybe around WWII or so. Before that, women used to go off & hide to do it. In the 50s & 60s, if you didn't smoke (male or female), there was something wrong with you. In the 70s, there were still a lot of people who smoked (starting at a young age), but attitudes started to change. I think a lot of people smoked because either they had family members who smoked or their peers talked them into trying it.

What I'm getting at is that moral corruption has been around a long time. I was taught about sex by a man who was in his late 40s or early 50s. I was between 9 & 12 years old. I really didn't get anything pleasurable out of it, but he did obviously (weird because I was about as ugly as a creature from any horror flick). I also had a partial hysterectomy before I was a year old....so maybe I was corrupted as a baby. IDK..no one has ever told me the truth, & I doubt they will to save their own butts. All I can say is not everyone has good morals. Some do & keep them...others don't & are more than happy to teach their bad habits to anyone they can.

People were definitely less moral back then. I think kids nowadays are less likely to do sex and drugs than in the past. I think it isn't so hidden which is why it seems like they are doing it more often. All I know is definitely people in the past were worse off than today. They just made sure they didn't get caught.

The concept of peer pressure is flawed. How much do YOU have to pressured into doing something that you can tell from the start is pleasurable, and that your body is ready for? Forcing someone much younger than you into it is a different story, of course, but the idea that sex or alcohol or whatever else is "morally corrupt" and young people that participate willingly in something obviously fun are morally corrupt, well.... that's crazy talk.

Example: The boyfriend that says "you'll blow me if you really love me" is an evil scumsucker. The girl that tells her girlfriend about how awesome sex is and "you should totally do that" (peer pressure) is just a friend. Recommending enjoyable things is what friends do. Of course there's a whole culture built around selling sex and alcohol, and beyond that the very disconnected nature of our society tends to warp human interaction. This is when stupidity, or exploitation, or getting in over your head become realities. But "hey man take a hit of this, it's great and you'll feel awesome" is not peer pressure, nor is it morally corrupt.

Should they be obedient and follow the rules without question?

Also in my experiance, that is nothing new......its how it was when I was in middle school and high school. Funny thing though is even at an early age kids don't follow the rules. Or maybe there were no rules against ganging up on one student and giving them hell all year when I was a kid...

Two hundred years ago alcohol brevages were among the most healthy things to drink. (Except for tea) Nowaday the water is clean.

Nowadays the water is SO clean, that if we went to live in the wild without our magic water-cleaning supertablets, we would get sick and die because we have no immunity and rely on vaccines and antibiotics that, ultimately, will lead to the super-hulk virus that never dies and then we're royally f**ked.

There's a whole lot of sides to everything, and what immediately looks negative, or positive, may in fact be harmful.

Lol the water where I live is not clean.....actually far from it.

Well, actually...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/09/healt ... berty.html

Kids nowadays mature earlier and earlier. I have seen preschoolers hurling vulgarities at one another. I have seen tween girls dressed in tank tops, mini-skirts and heels. Some blame the media. Me? I don't know who or what to blame.

Technically, 14 year old girls are perfectly ready, physically, to have sex. Boys around 16, though damned if they don't want to do it at 14.

The concept of the "teenager" is ridiculous; sexual maturity is the mark of "adulthood" in other animals. Instead we take young adults and act like it's horrifying when they try to do adult things.
This overindulgence in alcohol, sex, violence, and the inability to take responsibility for their actions is a direct result of forcing adults to behave like children.

In a country near my location, they found out that the highest internet pornographic access rate was in the most religiously conservative state, whereas the more liberal ones actually had far less!

When you tell people "don't do this" too many times, you can bet your life that they're gonna try it. And if it doesn't negatively impact them in the short term, they're gonna do it over and over again... <.<

STOP! DON'T THINK OF A PINK ELEPHANT!

Exactly! We make it worse by treating the young adults like children and never holding them fully responsible. This should also translate into allowing kids to work for family business, do chores and take up responsibilities they would also indulge in among tribal societies.

Some societies even take care to "initiate" their young -older woman teaches a young man; older man teaches a young woman... although I don't know where this falls on the aspects of "choice" and freedom we value.

Heh ...

I once examined the birth records of some of my 19th-century ancestors (~Victorian era). Surprisingly, the majority listed the age of the parents at around 14, the father by his full name, and the mother by her full maiden name! Examining the marriage record of those same people indicated, more often than not, that the children were born less than nine months after their parent's wedding day. Others that have checked similar records of the same era noted similar results.

It seems that our great-great-grandparents maybe weren't so moral after all...