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31 Oct 2011, 2:52 am

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During Herman Cain’s tenure as the head of the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s, at least two female employees complained to colleagues and senior association officials about inappropriate behavior by Cain, ultimately leaving their jobs at the trade group, multiple sources confirm to POLITICO.


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67194.html

His spokesman got grilled by Geraldo repeated to deny the allegations but would not give a straight answer.

Herman Cain has also been dancing around the allegation

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/geraldo-blas ... nt-claims/

'Annnnnnddddd, that was the sound of Herman Cain's presidential aspirations self-destructing.

So who is gunna get pumped up next?



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31 Oct 2011, 4:42 am

Jacoby wrote:
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During Herman Cain’s tenure as the head of the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s, at least two female employees complained to colleagues and senior association officials about inappropriate behavior by Cain, ultimately leaving their jobs at the trade group, multiple sources confirm to POLITICO.


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67194.html

His spokesman got grilled by Geraldo repeated to deny the allegations but would not give a straight answer.

Herman Cain has also been dancing around the allegation

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/geraldo-blas ... nt-claims/

'Annnnnnddddd, that was the sound of Herman Cain's presidential aspirations self-destructing.

So who is gunna get pumped up next?


He'll have to pull an "Arnold" on them, if Orrin isn't available to rant and rave with a bestseller.

Tadzio



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31 Oct 2011, 7:27 am

All that really matters is what sort of spin Fox News is going to put on it. Republican voters don't care what any other news source has to say about anything.



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31 Oct 2011, 8:01 am

Utter BS.

First, if you don't have names and specifics, it didn't happen.

The media loves to attack the front runner.

This dirt is probably handed over to the media anonymously, and they, of course, don't want to dig for the facts themselves to prove anything before confronting the candidate.

News flash....

1. Anyone can claim sexual harassment. It does not mean any harassment ever happened.

2. Many sexual harassment cases are settled out of court. It does not prove harassment happened. Often, it is cheaper to just pay off the plaintiff than go through the cost and torture of a trial not knowing who the jury's sympathies will side with.

They wanted Cain to admit that out-of-court settlements were made. First, that would probably violate the confidentiality agreements the parties agreed to as part of the settlement. Second, even if he admitted it happened, it would then be taken as an admission that he did sexually harass two people and the media spin would never stop.

The proper thing is to give no reply and demand that the media PROVE something happened with details of who is making the claim and what they claim happened. If the media can't get the plaintiffs to break the silence, then saying anything will only open a can of worms that always works against you.



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31 Oct 2011, 8:35 am

@panda
I guess we have our answer.


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31 Oct 2011, 8:43 am

Jacoby wrote:
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During Herman Cain’s tenure as the head of the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s, at least two female employees complained to colleagues and senior association officials about inappropriate behavior by Cain, ultimately leaving their jobs at the trade group, multiple sources confirm to POLITICO.


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67194.html

His spokesman got grilled by Geraldo repeated to deny the allegations but would not give a straight answer.

Herman Cain has also been dancing around the allegation

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/geraldo-blas ... nt-claims/

'Annnnnnddddd, that was the sound of Herman Cain's presidential aspirations self-destructing.

So who is gunna get pumped up next?


A yes. The Old Clarence Thomas Ploy. Any black man succeeding in politics will be accused of
1. Eating watermelon and 2. Harassing females in a sexual fashion.

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31 Oct 2011, 8:44 am

Tadzio wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
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During Herman Cain’s tenure as the head of the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s, at least two female employees complained to colleagues and senior association officials about inappropriate behavior by Cain, ultimately leaving their jobs at the trade group, multiple sources confirm to POLITICO.


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67194.html

His spokesman got grilled by Geraldo repeated to deny the allegations but would not give a straight answer.

Herman Cain has also been dancing around the allegation

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/geraldo-blas ... nt-claims/

'Annnnnnddddd, that was the sound of Herman Cain's presidential aspirations self-destructing.

So who is gunna get pumped up next?


He'll have to pull an "Arnold" on them, if Orrin isn't available to rant and rave with a bestseller.

Tadzio

I thought arnold actually admitted when the jig was up.



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31 Oct 2011, 8:46 am

ruveyn wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
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During Herman Cain’s tenure as the head of the National Restaurant Association in the 1990s, at least two female employees complained to colleagues and senior association officials about inappropriate behavior by Cain, ultimately leaving their jobs at the trade group, multiple sources confirm to POLITICO.


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67194.html

His spokesman got grilled by Geraldo repeated to deny the allegations but would not give a straight answer.

Herman Cain has also been dancing around the allegation

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/geraldo-blas ... nt-claims/

'Annnnnnddddd, that was the sound of Herman Cain's presidential aspirations self-destructing.

So who is gunna get pumped up next?


A yes. The Old Clarence Thomas Ploy. Any black man succeeding in politics will be accused of
1. Eating watermelon and 2. Harassing females in a sexual fashion.

ruveyn

And yet this is just a reverse clarence thomas play when there might be something to answer for. Not just black politicians get accused of being naughty around women.



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31 Oct 2011, 9:29 am

He was accused of inappropriate behavior? Well, that settles it: he's a serious politician.
Accusations of this kind are a rite of passage. Kind of like when Weird Al parodies your band, you know you've arrived.
But ya, all former presidents have been as sinless as Congress, so if this is true it certainly means he can't be elected.
:wink:

(And, wait, why was Clinton called the "first black president" again??)



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31 Oct 2011, 9:34 am

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnd, that's WrongPlanet post number eight thousand, eight hundred and eighty-eight for me. :P



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31 Oct 2011, 10:18 am

ruveyn wrote:

A yes. The Old Clarence Thomas Ploy. Any black man succeeding in politics will be accused of
1. Eating watermelon and 2. Harassing females in a sexual fashion.

ruveyn


So far, President Obama's reputation has been untarnished.

And, as far as I can tell, what Mr. Cain has been accused of is nothing compared to what some of the other Republican candidates have done.

He may have acted in poor taste, but so far he hasn't been accused of adultery, nor of cavorting with homosexual prostitutes.



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31 Oct 2011, 10:20 am

Ragtime wrote:
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnd, that's WrongPlanet post number eight thousand, eight hundred and eighty-eight for me. :P

You must feel very lucky, in china.



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31 Oct 2011, 10:25 am

pandabear wrote:

So far, President Obama's reputation has been untarnished.

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You are right. What I should have written was: The Old Clarence Thomas Ploy. Any non-liberal black man succeeding in politics will be accused of
1. Eating watermelon and 2. Harassing females in a sexual fashion.

ruveyn



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31 Oct 2011, 10:27 am

ruveyn wrote:
pandabear wrote:

So far, President Obama's reputation has been untarnished.

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You are right. What I should have written was: The Old Clarence Thomas Ploy. Any non-liberal black man succeeding in politics will be accused of
1. Eating watermelon and 2. Harassing females in a sexual fashion.

ruveyn

What I should have written was:
And yet this is just a reverse clarence thomas play when there might be something to answer for. Not just reublican black politicians get accused of being naughty around women.



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31 Oct 2011, 11:19 am

It would appear that he was falsely accused, and that the accusation was dire enough that the accusers had to be paid off and sworn to secrecy.

uhhuh.



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31 Oct 2011, 11:27 am

zer0netgain wrote:
Utter BS.

First, if you don't have names and specifics, it didn't happen.

The media loves to attack the front runner.

This dirt is probably handed over to the media anonymously, and they, of course, don't want to dig for the facts themselves to prove anything before confronting the candidate.

News flash....

1. Anyone can claim sexual harassment. It does not mean any harassment ever happened.

2. Many sexual harassment cases are settled out of court. It does not prove harassment happened. Often, it is cheaper to just pay off the plaintiff than go through the cost and torture of a trial not knowing who the jury's sympathies will side with.

They wanted Cain to admit that out-of-court settlements were made. First, that would probably violate the confidentiality agreements the parties agreed to as part of the settlement. Second, even if he admitted it happened, it would then be taken as an admission that he did sexually harass two people and the media spin would never stop.

The proper thing is to give no reply and demand that the media PROVE something happened with details of who is making the claim and what they claim happened. If the media can't get the plaintiffs to break the silence, then saying anything will only open a can of worms that always works against you.


The media mostly operates by suggestion now anyway. They've become such experienced storytellers, you almost never know what really happened. They advance their agenda by crafting wildly misleading declarative statements, and then placing question marks at the ends to keep themselves out of trouble. Example: Chris Wallace to Michelle Bachmann: He wants to say to her, during his interview, "You are a flake." But that would get him in big trouble, because as a professional reporter he's supposed to appear detatched. So instead, he rephrases his statement into news-speak: "Are you a flake?" It's not a serious question, it's a direct implication. (Bachmann hit it out of the park, but that's beside the point.)

Another linguistic device the media are tireless at exploiting -- which allows them to claim anything, no matter how ridiculous, and get away with it -- is qualifying sentences with "might", "may", and "could". Without these three words, half of all "news stories" wouldn't exist.



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