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04 Nov 2011, 11:13 am

Wikipedia is even providing BS.

Fluoride , 66% of public residents in the united states public water is fluoridated , it is known to have tremendous effects on bone cancer , joint problems , bone weakness , lower estrogen and testosterone levels and dental fluorosis - the yellowing of the teeth and pitting in the enamel.

Wouldn't it make more sense to enhance public water with vitamins which are meant to be injested to promote overall health , rather than putting such a toxic chemical in our water with a bogus explanation that it will improve our dental health.

We now know that fluoride causes more dental problems than it solves , something does seem right about the discoloration , pitting , cracking and chipping.

Do we honestly believe that companies care deeply about it's people and spending large amounts of thier own money to fluoridate public water , when the people already purchase thier own toothpaste.

But thiers a difference between toothpaste and drinking water , we don't ingest toothpaste.

If you go any store and look for rat poison product , you will only find one ingredient sodium fluoride.

The most toxic ionic molecule outside of potassium dichromate.

Now Dannon along with other companies have begun fluoridating bottled water , and is becoming increasingly difficult to get away from.

The fact that fluoride is used in many prescription drugs and antidepressants shows that it limits aggression and motivation.

It has absolutely no biological benefit what soever. But why , are people are not as aggressive anymore , well it's because of fluoride when experiments where done.

We are now finding that public water is showing up with arsenic , lead , cadmium and thermonium , the radioactive form of lead.

Cancer, Lowered Sex Drive, Birth Defects, Sedation, Brain Defects - does it not seem like a wonder drug to control the population , why do we even believe our doctors and dentists?

It's quite astonishing to the degrees where Enviromentalists have not been educated about flouride. People have an unconscious trust in doctors and dentists that it's safe and good. If we can persuade them we can reach the rest of the nation.

Flouride is killing cattle and is destroying thier crops and when given to rats it had produced bone cancer and liver cancer and it had been doctored to appear as if it didn't cause as much cancer.

They have found that these other Neurotoxic agents have caused IQ problems , Hypo-activity and Memory problems. Within days of this publication , the authorship Dr.Mullenix was fired from Forsyth Dental Center and has recieved no grants since that time to continue her research.

98% of Western Europe had rejected fluoridation and yet their children's teeth is just as healthy as the teeth in the U.S.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocqK1K8pNHA[/youtube]

http://www.viewzone.com/plasticpoison.html - Plastic's BPA linked to heart disease and diabetes with those highest with it , which acts like a hormone where it disrupts the actions of estrogen and it might has an effect on insulin resistance and the way the fat is distributed in the body. It is almost impossible to avoid , but before we jump to this conclusion we should look at other factors and far more research is needed.



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04 Nov 2011, 11:14 am

Wow , I need a private supplier. Or at least move to europe.



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04 Nov 2011, 11:26 am

Oh, my Goodness!
They were spouting all of this nonsense in the 1950's!

the basis of the Fluoride controversy was the president that TEH GUB'MENT could put additives in the water, PERIOD. This enraged those that sport tinfoil hats into thinking if some sort of chemical that made us all sheep, or wolves or even the dread LSD could also be put into the water and everyone would become wolves or sheep or Mad Hattie the Axe Killer.

so thanks for bringing up an oldie but a goodie, Samarda


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04 Nov 2011, 11:29 am

Fluorine is a necessary trace nutrient. If you didn't get any in your diet, you would have no bones.

Same goes for aluminum, fwiw.



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04 Nov 2011, 11:31 am

I grew up believing that fluoride was used to make your teeth less yellow, but I keep hearing nowadays that it actually demotes cavities. So which is it?



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04 Nov 2011, 11:41 am

snapcap wrote:
I grew up believing that fluoride was used to make your teeth less yellow, but I keep hearing nowadays that it actually demotes cavities. So which is it?


I have never heard of the 'teeth less yellow' claim. The Fluoride was to harden the teeth to prevent cavities, the same as when the dentist paints it on your teeth even today. We were frightened with pictures of post World War Two pictures of English dentition, showing what a mouth looks like when children were deprived of decent nutrition and dental care. Fluoride was to make up for the mineral salts that the North American continent didn't have naturally ( just as they put Iodine in salt to reduce the proliferation of goiters and made bananas ubiquitous because of the lack of naturally occurring magnesium and phosphorus in the Heartland.)

The Fluoride was to harden the teeth to prevent cavities. But that WASN'T the issue, it was the idea that someone was going to PUT IT IN THE (God's Pure) WATER that was the issue with the protesters.



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04 Nov 2011, 11:51 am

The fact that the fluoride in the water passes near your teeth when you drink it has very little to do with it's activity in your body.

You need fluorine to turn calcium and aluminum into bone and dentin. This happens at a cellular level, after it gets into your blood stream.

Too much of it can be a problem, but there are regions where the local water supply naturally has fluoride levels orders of magnitude higher than legal limits for artificial fluoridation in the USA, with no greater incidence of symptoms of excess fluoride intake.

There is much in human physiology that is necessary to ingest in minute quantity if you want to live at all. We are lucky that we live on a planet where most of them are virtually unavoidable.

Many of those things are also toxic in excess.

There are a few people who die every year from drinking too much water, for example. google hyponatremia if you don't believe me.



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04 Nov 2011, 12:11 pm

Ionic fluoride is not the same as the organic fluorine that contributes to bone and tooth health. Organic fluorine is present in a great many foods and, as it is protein bound, is poorly absorbed. Ionic fluoride is, in contrast, rapidly and completely absorbed by the stomach.

Even the enthusiasts recognise that fluoride is toxic at VERY small doses.



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04 Nov 2011, 12:13 pm

Organic fluorine, along with calcium and a little bit of help from molybdenum, forms calcium fluorapatite, which is recognised as the mineral element of teeth and bones.

Ionic fluoride does not contribute to this process and instead causes the over stimulation of the parathyroid glands, resulting in abnormal bone growth, calcification of tendons and ligaments and interrupts the process which generates energy in cells.



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04 Nov 2011, 12:34 pm

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04 Nov 2011, 12:40 pm

snapcap wrote:
I grew up believing that fluoride was used to make your teeth less yellow, but I keep hearing nowadays that it actually demotes cavities. So which is it?

It does both. You see there are some chemicals that are dangerous to life which are far less dangerous to Humans. Take caffiene. For Humans it is a mild stimulant. For insects it's like biting in to a ball of powdered arsenic.

Fluoride is satanic death, doom and annihilation for micro-organisms. However fluoride in minute amounts is fine for humans.



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04 Nov 2011, 12:51 pm

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snapcap wrote:
I grew up believing that fluoride was used to make your teeth less yellow, but I keep hearing nowadays that it actually demotes cavities. So which is it?

It does both. You see there are some chemicals that are dangerous to life which are far less dangerous to Humans. Take caffiene. For Humans it is a mild stimulant. For insects it's like biting in to a ball of powdered arsenic.

Fluoride is satanic death, doom and annihilation for micro-organisms. However fluoride in minute amounts is fine for humans.


wow, I never thought about Satan on the micro-organism scale. Think how small his pitchfork must be!



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04 Nov 2011, 12:54 pm

Also the Communists are trying to steal our precious bodily fluids by fluoridating our water and brainwashing everyone


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04 Nov 2011, 12:57 pm

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Fluoride is satanic death, doom and annihilation for micro-organisms. However fluoride in minute amounts is fine for humans.


:O Aren't we made of microorganisms! You remind me of Epicurus the philosopher who believed everything in modest amounts are fine.



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04 Nov 2011, 1:38 pm

bear with me...

PTFE the active ingredient of teflon, goretex etc is mostly fluorine.

If it gets heated up to common temperatures it becomes toxic in the microgram range. Duponts own studies showed that if as little as 0.4mg gets drawn through a cigarette acute poisoning symptoms follow ('polymer fume fever or teflon flu') even when that 0.4 was exposed gradually throughout the day. The reason people seem to get away with heating up the cookware everyday without apparent ill effects is that its a low concentration of PTFE (it just occasionally kills caged birds who have more delicate lungs) however, in a pure or aerosol form it is definately not safe.

Theres reports of people getting ill when smoking in a room where its been sprayed or even just handling plumbers tape, even if you dont smoke it just takes a hot appliance eg. a stove has been treated with the wrong stuff. In one extreme case it seemed that the damage to lung tissue may have been irreversable, whether this applies chronically.. i dont know.

Chemical products are supplied with something called a MSDS a very official looking form full of technical safety data - it tells you what do to in case of eye contact, spills etc and what hazardazous fumes a released if it burns; you might think the MSDS for PTFE products would mention the hydrogen fluoride, PFIB (chem warfae agent) etc - nope. Its exempt, instead the MSDS may list everyday relatively harmless gases like carbon oxides, leading you to assume that its safe.

The reason for this post is to show that people just assume that things have been taken care of, to protect consumers from products they see for sale. that the state has checks and measures in place. but there isnt.

The craziest thing is whenever people, like the OP do realise that they alone are responsible for their own health and wellbeing and to do that they have to question mainstream truisms and check things out independantly, they run up against the 'foil hat' rhetoric. EMF is real! (I dont know about hats per se, but in scandinavia, a government issues metalllic curtains and wall treatments for sensitive people)



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04 Nov 2011, 2:14 pm

psych wrote:
bear with me...

The craziest thing is whenever people, like the OP do realise that they alone are responsible for their own health and wellbeing and to do that they have to question mainstream truisms and check things out independantly, they run up against the 'foil hat' rhetoric. EMF is real! (I dont know about hats per se, but in scandinavia, a government issues metalllic curtains and wall treatments for sensitive people)


ah! I didn't know that. I always thought the 'tin foil hat' reference was to people trying to keep intergalactic aliens from reading brain waves - that and I can not abide the thought of tinfoil near me, it just makes me squick to think about it although other people don't have that reaction. In Scandinavia the Northern Lights must really kick up a big internal electro-magnetic storm, I can appreciate that.