Natural Selection
08 Nov 2011, 6:10 pm
I can see where MR20 is coming from - we all have been given a certain set of cards to begin with. However i don't think it's as black and white as plain old natural selection or MXH's video, not in a human society at least. For example, an uber-confident guy that dates different girls each week might find themselves in financial hardship at some point; especially if they have ten child support payments leaving their bank account each month! Also, if they are just..
The criteria to survive in our society is much more complicated than that of the animal kingdom. It's at this point the Darwen stuff and all the Alpha / Beta male nonsense falls on its arse. What I say to MR20 is just to stay positive and make the most of what's around him. For example, if 90% of his opening posts were included in a public blog, I'm sure he'd get zillions of hits and replies, who knows what that could lead to
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08 Nov 2011, 8:33 pm
The 2nd family in that video basically describes my family. My dad was a crackhead drop out with his fair share of mental problems, and my mom is a paranoid schizophrenic. (she has been in a mental home since was a child) When you think about it, there's no wonder how me and my sister ended up the way we are.
It doesn't just stop there, on both my mom and dad's side. Most of my relatives are in jail, on drugs, poor, working at dead-end jobs, uneducated, (most don't finish high school let alone attend college) and/or have some form of mental illness.
I probably won't get a chance to continue the cycle, since there's no chance in hell of me finding a woman willing to marry and procreate with someone like me.
08 Nov 2011, 8:38 pm
I want to respond to this, but I need a better idea of what you're trying to say.
08 Nov 2011, 8:55 pm
In anthropology, there exists a significant literature on this subject with respect to human reproduction and I am only knowledgeable about selection of males by females from there. Most authors see two contradictory forces in the human psyche: 1. females want to select virile males (that is, 'fit' men who will produce good offspring); 2. females want to select males who will remain and build a stable relationship for themselves and their children. A tradeoff exists, in nature, because a male, in an idealised, biological view of the world, would want to inseminate as many females as possible (thus carrying on the survival of their genes) - so becoming monogamous would appear to be a poor game plan, since the cost of having to maintain relationships and care for children is high. Additionally, it is very difficult for males to even be certain that the child is theirs (pre-industrial society) because the human estrus cycle is very different from that of similar primates and, in this view of the world, why would you want to care for a child if it doesn't carry your genes?
Coming back to your point though, does it really matter if you've been 'weeded out'? I mean, really, I figure we've reached a stage in human development where our lives are capable of meaningful achievement beyond reproduction.
09 Nov 2011, 1:16 am
Coming back to your point though, does it really matter if you've been 'weeded out'? I mean, really, I figure we've reached a stage in human development where our lives are capable of meaningful achievement beyond reproduction.
See that's it, I haven't really achieved anything in my life. I don't have friends, never had a job, can't drive, didn't graduate from HS. I don't have any skills or talents that are useful or impressive. I'm just a inferior, pathetic bum that's not good for anything.
09 Nov 2011, 1:39 am
Absolute rubbish, another excuse to simply not try because you feel you're predetermined or predestined to feel inadequate or unworthy. You're basically selling yourself short and reinforcing all the negative traits you've already told yourself a thousand times so it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy, you've assimilated to the point where you've lost your self worth.
Stop feeling sorry for yourself, stop listening to people who are negative, stop letting them define your worth or sense of self identity and have some fight in who you are.
Fight? For what? I am nothing, there's nothing to fight for. All the so called "negative" people were right. I was actually the one that was deluded at first. I didn't believe them (probably stupid pride and ego getting in the way) until I started looking at the evidence, and there were a lot of it.
There were reasons why I never had friends and no girls/women wanted to go out with me. You don't call a person slow, ugly, and dumb repeatedly if that person doesn't have those characteristics. There was no way a sped drop out would be able to get into a good college. Yeah reality sucks.
I just wished some of you people would hang out with me for a few weeks/months. Just so you can observe how unbelievably pathetic and worthless I am.
09 Nov 2011, 2:01 am
I want to respond to this, but I need a better idea of what you're trying to say.
He's basically saying that you don't need to reproduce or attract a mating partner to be regarded as someone who is respected or someone that achieves something with their life. There's plenty to do in life, you don't have to have kids and you shouldn't feel pressure to have kids or become a CEO of a company because at the end of the day, life is about your experiences, you define your own self identity and sense of worth. You need to stop worrying about all these expectations, the moment you do, you'll become a more fun guy and people of both sexes will start to enjoy being around you as a person.
There were reasons why I never had friends and no girls/women wanted to go out with me. You don't call a person slow, ugly, and dumb repeatedly if that person doesn't have those characteristics. There was no way a sped drop out would be able to get into a good college. Yeah reality sucks.
I just wished some of you people would hang out with me for a few weeks/months. Just so you can observe how unbelievably pathetic and worthless I am.
Here you go again, setting some kind of silly unrealistic expectations and goals of yourself. The problem you have is that you focus so much on the negative aspects, you lose of any positive aspects in your life. You're also clearly capable of operating a computer to a high standard and posting intellectual comments here so that clearly shows you have intelligence. I already told you that those people aren't worth it and most likely love people for fake attraction such as money and looks, why worry about them? why let their opinions bring you down or define your happiness in life?
09 Nov 2011, 3:18 am
Biologically "fit" organisms are those who get more of their genetic code to survive into future generations.
The selection pressures for humans have changed with the advance of technology/society. Modern medicine has allowed more people to survive (and reproduce) than in the past.
The whole selection criteria have changed. In the past strength and hunting skill were necessary, now intelligence has a more critical roll.
This would only apply in societies where the males do not take any part in looking after their children. Human children need care for a relatively long period of time before they are able to go into the world alone.
If having smaller families and supporting their offspring (education, financial etc.) better the long-term future for the family is enhanced this would be the better option than spread ones seed widely. The more children the less support each one can get.
The elderly often help with the childcare of their grandchildren, this is definitely be a useful contribution.
There is probably still some deep underlying biological process going on when people select partners. In monogamous relationships how well you can live with your partner (keep the family going) is more important than if you have limited contact after intercourse.
09 Nov 2011, 4:59 am
@MR20- re OP-
You need inspiration from examples. My best advice to you is to do some searches on the web or at the library for people who have overcome great odds to gain happiness. History is full of people who have gained great success with very few advantages. They all had some tools to work with, but none of them (I suspect) gained happiness without trying. Some do gain happiness without doing anything, but wishing you were in that situation will not result in anything but unhappiness on your part. You need to decide what will make you happy, and then figure out if and how you can achieve those things. You do have the computer you are using and the internet. Those tools can give you knowledge, and knowledge is power. I know that many other people today have these tools, but most do not use them to their maximum effect. How many people (mostly in the past) gained success without these tools?
I'm not saying you can achieve the success of someone like Abraham Lincoln, but you might be able to get inspiration from someone like him. Your goals can be much lower. As long as they can make you content. Don't get hung up on this (probably lame) example. It was the first that came to mind. You need to do the research for better examples.
26 Nov 2011, 11:13 am
Romantic love is darwinian for the most part. Meaning that if you are at the bottom of the social hierarchy you will very probably not have an attractive mate.
But there are other ways to love and feel loved in return. You can get a pet. You can also adopt a child who needs a home. If I ever get the urge to be a father, that's what I would do.
26 Nov 2011, 2:19 pm
But there are other ways to love and feel loved in return. You can get a pet. You can also adopt a child who needs a home. If I ever get the urge to be a father, that's what I would do.
bwhahahah at me trying to raise a child.
26 Nov 2011, 2:50 pm
It could be worse MR... you could be like me. I can't even pin my utter failure at life on low intelligence because I finished college. Yet what am I doing with that degree? Absolutely nothing. I can't get a girlfriend either, and am just generally a screwup. And I can't blame it on anyone else around me because everyone else around me is successful and they generally have a future. It's only me...
