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10 Nov 2011, 1:05 am

I noticed that whenever I interact with others, that people are constantly deflecting their gaze and they seem to look/act "awkward" or "uncomfortable". I assume this is because of my "aspie stare" and possible lack of emotional reciprocity (I.e., I don't seem to mirror other people's tonality and excitedness when they greet me and I'm guessing this causes discomfort.), which might be interpreted as being hostile or something like that. Does anyone know if this is actually "the problem", as in, do you have this problem too? If you do or if you did, do you know what the solution is?



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10 Nov 2011, 1:08 am

I wear sunglasses. 8)



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10 Nov 2011, 1:11 am

Sparx wrote:
I wear sunglasses. 8)


Hehe, nice emoticon choice.

Does anyone have solutions that'd work for... work, like when you're interacting with customers? I'm not entirely sure if sunglasses would be appropriate.

And, in the future, I'm not entirely sure I could always wear sunglasses when talking to employees, potential business partners and important clients. (Or bosses/managers.)



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10 Nov 2011, 1:12 am

swbluto wrote:
I noticed that whenever I interact with others, that people are constantly deflecting their gaze and they seem to look/act "awkward" or "uncomfortable". I assume this is because of my "aspie stare" and possible lack of emotional reciprocity (I.e., I don't seem to mirror other people's tonality and excitedness when they greet me and I'm guessing this causes discomfort.), which might be interpreted as being hostile or something like that. Does anyone know if this is actually "the problem", as in, do you have this problem too? If you do or if you did, do you know what the solution is?


Yeah, I have this same issue. I feel like I make people uncomfortable, but I don't know how to stop. I began doing it to show people that I was listening to them, and I guess I just go overboard. It's especially bad if I'm around authority figures, like during job interviews and stuff. I'd definitely like to know what to do about it too.



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10 Nov 2011, 1:21 am

dobrolvr wrote:
swbluto wrote:
I noticed that whenever I interact with others, that people are constantly deflecting their gaze and they seem to look/act "awkward" or "uncomfortable". I assume this is because of my "aspie stare" and possible lack of emotional reciprocity (I.e., I don't seem to mirror other people's tonality and excitedness when they greet me and I'm guessing this causes discomfort.), which might be interpreted as being hostile or something like that. Does anyone know if this is actually "the problem", as in, do you have this problem too? If you do or if you did, do you know what the solution is?


Yeah, I have this same issue. I feel like I make people uncomfortable, but I don't know how to stop. I began doing it to show people that I was listening to them, and I guess I just go overboard. It's especially bad if I'm around authority figures, like during job interviews and stuff. I'd definitely like to know what to do about it too.


Sometimes I try the strategy of mimicking the other person, like if they look away, I start to look away too, and then I enter a cycle of looking at them for 5-10 seconds, look away for a few, look at them 5-10 more seconds, etc.

While this doesn't exactly "cure the problem"(When people usually interact, they're like always looking at each other as they do the "facial expression dance" whose steps I obviously don't know.), I think it can reduce the 'problem'. It's like a palliate. :) (Hehe, just had to use that big word because I saw it on an IQ test and I didn't know what it meant so I had to look it up, and now I want to remember it by using it.)



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10 Nov 2011, 5:39 am

one way to quick-fix the aspie stare is a rederect.
you should not look at the persons eyes, but try to aim your gaze at the point where their nosebridge attaches to the skull, right in between the eyes, this gives the other person the illusion of eye-contact, yet prevents the awkward stare.



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10 Nov 2011, 5:51 am

The problem i have is not knowing when eye contact is appropriate , either avoid it or force it , I do NA meetings and i never know when to look at someone when they share , everyone else seems to make and break eye contact natrually but for me its a constant challenge ... even got acused of being "Gay" by one guy cos i kept eye contact with him the entire time he shared , i was trying to be sympathetic to his pain even though it was very uncomfortable doing so , but apparently it came across like i was giving him the eye ! !! !


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10 Nov 2011, 7:04 am

izzeme has a good suggestion.



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10 Nov 2011, 7:57 am

I never stare at people. I need a solution to stop them from staring at me, because that is what they do (and they say only Aspies stare?) And don't say ''you must be staring at them if you know they're staring at you'', because I can feel them staring, and I see their gaze in the corner of my eye, and when I just move my eyes slightly to look to see if they are, I get it right each time. AND I AM f*****g SICK OF IT, I don't mind telling you!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!


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10 Nov 2011, 9:37 am

Pepper spray.


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10 Nov 2011, 11:44 am

wavefreak58 wrote:
Pepper spray.


Hahaha :P



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10 Nov 2011, 11:46 am

swbluto wrote:
dobrolvr wrote:
swbluto wrote:
I noticed that whenever I interact with others, that people are constantly deflecting their gaze and they seem to look/act "awkward" or "uncomfortable". I assume this is because of my "aspie stare" and possible lack of emotional reciprocity (I.e., I don't seem to mirror other people's tonality and excitedness when they greet me and I'm guessing this causes discomfort.), which might be interpreted as being hostile or something like that. Does anyone know if this is actually "the problem", as in, do you have this problem too? If you do or if you did, do you know what the solution is?


Yeah, I have this same issue. I feel like I make people uncomfortable, but I don't know how to stop. I began doing it to show people that I was listening to them, and I guess I just go overboard. It's especially bad if I'm around authority figures, like during job interviews and stuff. I'd definitely like to know what to do about it too.


Sometimes I try the strategy of mimicking the other person, like if they look away, I start to look away too, and then I enter a cycle of looking at them for 5-10 seconds, look away for a few, look at them 5-10 more seconds, etc.

While this doesn't exactly "cure the problem"(When people usually interact, they're like always looking at each other as they do the "facial expression dance" whose steps I obviously don't know.), I think it can reduce the 'problem'. It's like a palliate. :) (Hehe, just had to use that big word because I saw it on an IQ test and I didn't know what it meant so I had to look it up, and now I want to remember it by using it.)


Yeah, I've started doing that, but I still feel like I'm not doing it right...haha, well, you learn something new everyday. I'll have to look that one up. Thanks :wink:



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10 Nov 2011, 12:22 pm

In conversation in languages other than English I sometimes need to stare, because I'm not only listening but also having to lip read a little.

Scientologists are good at staring because they practise it for hours and hours. TR0, isn't it? :-)



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10 Nov 2011, 10:06 pm

The solution is to stop caring.

I've noticed that most of the time when my anxiety kicks in it is because I am worried about where I am looking, and whether or not I am making proper eye contact. This, in turn, leads to worse eye contact, which leads to worse anxiety, and so on.

Just honestly stop giving a damn, look towards people, and give them about 50% eye contact. Keep your head inclined towards them, and don't stare off at something in another direction. Smile and nod here and there and you're golden.

Anxiety affects my posture, my thought process, and slows or stops my verbal responses. If I force myself to relax, think about what they're saying, and how they are reacting, the words come more naturally and I can actually carry on a conversation somewhat.

Even if you are absolutely horrible at everything I suggested if you just stop caring things will be much better for you.



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10 Nov 2011, 10:11 pm

Joe90 wrote:
I never stare at people. I need a solution to stop them from staring at me, because that is what they do (and they say only Aspies stare?) And don't say ''you must be staring at them if you know they're staring at you'', because I can feel them staring, and I see their gaze in the corner of my eye, and when I just move my eyes slightly to look to see if they are, I get it right each time. AND I AM f***ing SICK OF IT, I don't mind telling you!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!


Oh, that's easy. Throw some money on the ground. But then they will follow you around hoping for more. Nevermind.



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10 Nov 2011, 10:35 pm

AspiringCyborg wrote:
The solution is to stop caring.

I've noticed that most of the time when my anxiety kicks in it is because I am worried about where I am looking, and whether or not I am making proper eye contact. This, in turn, leads to worse eye contact, which leads to worse anxiety, and so on.

Just honestly stop giving a damn, look towards people, and give them about 50% eye contact. Keep your head inclined towards them, and don't stare off at something in another direction. Smile and nod here and there and you're golden.

Anxiety affects my posture, my thought process, and slows or stops my verbal responses. If I force myself to relax, think about what they're saying, and how they are reacting, the words come more naturally and I can actually carry on a conversation somewhat.

Even if you are absolutely horrible at everything I suggested if you just stop caring things will be much better for you.


Honestly, your advice sounds like it was designed for socially anxious NTs and, in that case, you're probably right. But, here's the thing: I was giving the guy 100% eye contact and I honestly didn't give a damn about how I was performing during the interaction (I think, anyways...). It was only after the interaction when I noticed that his type of response was... typical... and he seemed to be uncomfortable at first and then he seemed to be getting a little angry. And then THAT'S when I started caring because these are important people to not accidentally upset.