Rudolph Hess was much more autistic than normal?

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16 Nov 2011, 7:34 pm

Rudolph Hess was Hitler's right hand man, the Deputy Fuhrer. He was completely loyal to him, just as those with autism tend to be loyal in relationships.

"Writing in Mein Kampf, Hitler said, 'under the old regime there was Prince Eulenburg, under the new, there is Rudolf Hess'.[15] Anton Drexler ( known for being Adolf Hitler's mentor during his early days in politics) and his group resented Hess, considering him 'too intellectual'.[16]"

Interesting, he was widely resented because he was "too intellectual". To be clear, when they talk about "intellectuality", I *know* it's not a matter of IQ related abilities as Goring, Goddel and Hitler all had measurably as high or higher IQs. It's more to do with personality characteristics that are associated with that, the most suspect in his case being autistic personality traits.

Apparently, his flight to England was because he was duped and he earnestly/naively believed he could bring peace if he sought it. That's interesting because it suggests a certain "social naivety", "general naivety" and "gullibility".

He was also described as "mentally ill" BUT NOT insane (according to the British). For someone like him to be "mentally ill" at his age and for him to have maintained power throughout the duration of the Reich suggests something like Autism.

Also, he talked aloud at his trial and it was a general personality characteristic. That's also characteristic of autism.

He also wasn't suffering from hallucinations, suggesting he didn't have schizophrenia.

Also, from a source online, "Hess was known to be a naïve and insecure man, failing to understand the way political intrigues went and eventually losing Hitler’s favour even though he truly believed in the Führer’s plans". That suggests a lack of social cognition, which would be consistent with autism.



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16 Nov 2011, 10:23 pm

Hitler charmed a lot of people and had so many people under his control. Also, autism isn't a mental illness, it's a disorder, there are A LOT of mental illnesses that you could consider NOT insanity.

I don't think just because someone was loyal, smart, naive, and gullible, etc. It means that they're autistic. There are plenty of NT's who fit the criteria.



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16 Nov 2011, 11:12 pm

twich wrote:
loyal, smart, naive, and gullible, etc. It means that they're autistic. There are plenty of NT's who fit the criteria.


Well, although he was "smart", it wasn't necessarily a "High IQ smarts" they're referring to. He probably had an "intellectual air" about him, i.e., he probably spoke pedantically.

Also, I think "socially inept" in addition to all the traits you mention puts him far closer to the spectrum. I'm not saying he was diagnosably autistic, but I'd probably guess he was somewhere in the top 5% of the population in terms of "autistic characteristics". His particular type of naivete/gullibility was very unusual for a "Political figure" (I think "Hitler's henchman" would be more apt considering that politics back in those days was far less about rhetoric with the exception of the Fuhrer.).