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13 Dec 2011, 1:41 am

I think the wrong people are voting. I say repeal the 17th amendment (direct election of senators) and limit suffrage to those who have served the state for at least two years.

Good idea, huh?


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13 Dec 2011, 2:14 am

Getting rid of direct election of senators isn't that crazy of an idea. That is how the founders intended it to be, for the house to represent the people and the senate to represent the states.



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13 Dec 2011, 9:05 am

The founders also wanted voters to be invested in society, hence their requirement that voters own property (in most places).

I think the property requirement is a bit outmoded, but two years' service is reasonable.


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13 Dec 2011, 9:32 am

GoonSquad wrote:
I think the wrong people are voting. I say repeal the 17th amendment (direct election of senators) and limit suffrage to those who have served the state for at least two years.

Good idea, huh?


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13 Dec 2011, 2:30 pm

Something needs to be done to ensure election integrity. For example, California's system is an open door for fraud, and in 2008 a bunch of first time black voters f^ed things up pretty bad because they wanted to vote for Obama (and the only ting that they [and a lot of other people] knew about him is he is black), and had to also vote for a bunch of other people and issues they were absolutely clueless about!

Even I at very least read the voter guide before checking off a republican, and a couple of times I ended up picking a libertarian.


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13 Dec 2011, 3:15 pm

By "Serve the State", I hope you mean "In the Military".

Only a military veteran know what it is really like to place the welfare of his or her fellow citizens ahead of his or her own.



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13 Dec 2011, 3:31 pm

Democracy does not work in a mental institution.



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13 Dec 2011, 3:48 pm

How many people voted in the 2008 election?

299,398,484 total population
225,746,457 total population over 18 years
122,394,724 total number of US citizens that voted in 2008 election
= 54% of population voted.

Read more: Wiki-Answers

If you did not vote, then you have no reason to complain about the democratic process.



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13 Dec 2011, 3:54 pm

What is all this guff about limiting suffrage?



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13 Dec 2011, 4:07 pm

John_Browning wrote:
Something needs to be done to ensure election integrity. For example, California's system is an open door for fraud, and in 2008 a bunch of first time black voters f^ed things up pretty bad because they wanted to vote for Obama (and the only ting that they [and a lot of other people] knew about him is he is black), and had to also vote for a bunch of other people and issues they were absolutely clueless about!

Even I at very least read the voter guide before checking off a republican, and a couple of times I ended up picking a libertarian.


And how do you know that was the only motivation of most black voters? What are you planning to do - limit voting rights to whites? And what about us whites who voted for Obama? Are we all blinded by his blackness?
Just because you don't like the outcome of an election is no reason to limit the vote.

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13 Dec 2011, 4:40 pm

MarcusTulliusCicero wrote:
What is all this guff about limiting suffrage?

An exercise in futility.



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13 Dec 2011, 5:21 pm

I have a better reform idea: Only allow people with PhDs from accredited universities vote and keep the seventeenth amendment.


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13 Dec 2011, 5:27 pm

Abgal64 wrote:
I have a better reform idea: Only allow people with PhDs from accredited universities vote and keep the seventeenth amendment.


No. I only have a BA.

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13 Dec 2011, 5:31 pm

Fnord wrote:
MarcusTulliusCicero wrote:
What is all this guff about limiting suffrage?

An exercise in futility.

Nice to know we can agree on some things



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13 Dec 2011, 7:31 pm

MarcusTulliusCicero wrote:
Fnord wrote:
MarcusTulliusCicero wrote:
What is all this guff about limiting suffrage?
An exercise in futility.
Nice to know we can agree on some things

Coming to agreement with others is not one of my life goals.



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13 Dec 2011, 7:37 pm

GoonSquad wrote:
I think the wrong people are voting. I say repeal the 17th amendment (direct election of senators) and limit suffrage to those who have served the state for at least two years.

Good idea, huh?


What do you mean by the phrase "serve the state" ( for two or any number of years)?