Female Aspies= Borderline personality disorder??

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20 Dec 2011, 4:42 pm

By talking to other people with Aspergers I have realized that most of the girls who are diagnosed later in life are first diagnosed with Borderline personality disorder, including myself. Personally the only thing I could think of that would lead to that diagnosis would be my meltdowns that tended to look like a major mood swing. Any other experiences with being misdiagnosed with borderline and your thoughts on it?



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20 Dec 2011, 5:03 pm

Samara1991 wrote:
By talking to other people with Aspergers I have realized that most of the girls who are diagnosed later in life are first diagnosed with Borderline personality disorder, including myself. Personally the only thing I could think of that would lead to that diagnosis would be my meltdowns that tended to look like a major mood swing. Any other experiences with being misdiagnosed with borderline and your thoughts on it?


Your story doesn't surprise me. I'm not female, but I was diagnosed with having everything but AS. Several years ago, a psychiatrist did properly diagnose me, but like it was no big deal; all she wanted to do was throw pills at me. I have little respect left for so-called mental health professionals.

But to address your question directly, I have AS, I have a boy with classical autism just out of high school who volunteers, and did have a woman volunteering diagnosed with borderline personality disorder. They are all very different things.



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20 Dec 2011, 5:15 pm

Nope. I just got slapped with the usual anxiety and depression.


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20 Dec 2011, 5:20 pm

I was originally diagnosed with depression/anxiety at age 10. They started me on every med in the book. I was thrown on pills like Lithium (which made me go insane and i wound up being hospitalized). I was finally diagnosed properly at 17 and have not received any sort of help with Aspergers. The only medication that has helped me is Adderall. It makes me wonder how many other girls are actually misdiagnosed...



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20 Dec 2011, 5:32 pm

Medical science and practice are not designed to take girls and women seriously. Read The Mismeasure of Woman, by Carol Tavris. The part about testing breast cancer treatment was an eye-opener. The mental health field is at least as bad, if not worse. I wish I could remember the titles and authors for the best two books I ever read about that. The history of it, though, is pretty horrific. It's been bad for everybody, but mental health institutions, for example, ended up being where independently minded women were put when they weren't being burned alive anymore. Far too much of it is about sociopolitical control, and far too little is about actually trying to help anyone. And that's before you even get to the mistakes made by well-meaning professionals.

I don't mean to belittle the experiences of men, which have also been terrible. But the historical pattern has been that, even before someone was considered a non-person for having a physical or mental health issue, a woman was not considered a person to begin with.


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20 Dec 2011, 5:38 pm

If you search the archives there are various threads on the subject.

Apparently, certain ASD behavior can be misinterpreted as "manipulative." Also, lots of social failures might make someone frantic when a relationship is falling apart (especially if they don't know why).

Oh and also, I've heard that self-injurious behavior (cutting, picking, burning, etc.) and being female can 'automatically' result in a "borderline" diagnosis, due to stereotypes that exist in the psych world.

Personality disorders are much more common than ASD, so the pros tend to think about PDs as explanations first.



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20 Dec 2011, 5:39 pm

Samara1991 wrote:
By talking to other people with Aspergers I have realized that most of the girls who are diagnosed later in life are first diagnosed with Borderline personality disorder, including myself. Personally the only thing I could think of that would lead to that diagnosis would be my meltdowns that tended to look like a major mood swing. Any other experiences with being misdiagnosed with borderline and your thoughts on it?


I was never diagnosed with borderline personality disorder. In fact I'm rather the opposite of such a behavioral profile as I am not particularly emotional, or clingy, nor to I engage in self destructive behaviors. I have the capacity to be rational and I recognize people can have good qualities and bad qualities simultaneously, rather than categorizing them as good or evil.

I think women and girls with AS are more likely to be misdiagnosed as bi-polar than having borderline personality disorder, though I was never given that diagnoses either.



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20 Dec 2011, 6:03 pm

If a psych has the preconceived notion of diagnosing personality disorders, then it seems that an autistic person could get diagnosed with various personality disorders, not just borderline, depending on which autistic traits are emphasized as indicative of that personality disorder, while other autistic traits are de-emphasized because they don't fit that personality disorder.



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20 Dec 2011, 6:22 pm

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I was never diagnosed with borderline personality disorder. In fact I'm rather the opposite of such a behavioral profile as I am not particularly emotional, or clingy, nor to I engage in self destructive behaviors.


Same. No-one has ever raised the possibility that I could have BPD.



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20 Dec 2011, 6:31 pm

I was first diagnosed with generalized anxiety disorder. No one ever mentioned personality disorder.



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20 Dec 2011, 6:41 pm

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Medical science and practice are not designed to take girls and women seriously. Read The Mismeasure of Woman, by Carol Tavris. The part about testing breast cancer treatment was an eye-opener. The mental health field is at least as bad, if not worse. I wish I could remember the titles and authors for the best two books I ever read about that. The history of it, though, is pretty horrific. It's been bad for everybody, but mental health institutions, for example, ended up being where independently minded women were put when they weren't being burned alive anymore. Far too much of it is about sociopolitical control, and far too little is about actually trying to help anyone. And that's before you even get to the mistakes made by well-meaning professionals.

I don't mean to belittle the experiences of men, which have also been terrible. But the historical pattern has been that, even before someone was considered a non-person for having a physical or mental health issue, a woman was not considered a person to begin with.


On a similar note, female doctors have some of the highest rates of suicide in the world.



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20 Dec 2011, 7:10 pm

I was only diagnosed with depression and anxiety as a teenager, though I know they were trying to find something else. As soon as I mentioned it in my 20s though, not one doctor has since doubted it. (I am not an Aspie, but still not diagnosed until adulthood).


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20 Dec 2011, 7:14 pm

http://www.tonyattwood.com.au/index.php ... Itemid=192

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Many adults with Asperger’s Syndrome or high-functioning autism apply for psychiatric help but are only occasionally correctly diagnosed as having an autism spectrum disorder. We have seen our previous patients diagnosed with borderline personality disorder, antisocial personality disorder, paranoid disorder, psychosis, and schizophrenia. It may be a matter of the adult psychiatrist not being familiar with the history and symptoms of an individual with Asperger’s Syndrome/high functioning which makes him/her liable to make a diagnosis of a condition with some overlapping symptomatology for which there is a well-known framework.



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20 Dec 2011, 10:27 pm

Chronos wrote:
I was never diagnosed with borderline personality disorder. In fact I'm rather the opposite of such a behavioral profile as I am not particularly emotional, or clingy, nor to I engage in self destructive behaviors. I have the capacity to be rational and I recognize people can have good qualities and bad qualities simultaneously, rather than categorizing them as good or evil.


This could almost* describe me as well, and I was misdiagnosed with BPD a year ago.

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I think women and girls with AS are more likely to be misdiagnosed as bi-polar than having borderline personality disorder, though I was never given that diagnoses either.


I do not know what the statistics are either way, but I think that there is certainly a variety of misdiagnoses that are likely. Another one I had was social anxiety several years ago - not an official diagnosis, but an assessment by a therapist at the time. Pensieve mentioned depression and anxiety.

* but my major depression explained my suicidal ideation.



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20 Dec 2011, 11:02 pm

More from Tony Attwood's site...

http://www.tonyattwood.com.au/index.php ... Itemid=720

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From my own extensive clinical experience and reading autobiographies, women who have Asperger's syndrome can be extremely sensitive to the emotional atmosphere at a social gathering. There is an almost 'sixth sense' for feelings within others of antagonism, fear and despair in group situations. When a girl with Asperger's syndrome who has emotional sensitivity to the negative moods of others has also been bullied and teased by peers and rejected or 'betrayed' by friends, there can be a suggestion of the characteristics of Borderline Personality Disorder. [Liane Holliday Willey]


And I think anyone who makes an effort to blend in with others, in a chameleon-like way can come off as having borderline PD.



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20 Dec 2011, 11:06 pm

I did have a guy who is a psych student tell me that my tendency to imitate others to learn social behaviors was a sign of BPD and not autism.

I don't talk to that guy anymore, though, because he actually is a complete arsehat.