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20 Dec 2011, 4:45 pm

http://www.salon.com/2009/03/26/bauer_autism/


This boy was high functioning and a sweet boy. He seemed to be recovered from autism from the sound of it but then at age 17, he regressed and got violent. His old symptoms came back too and he was all of a sudden a violent person.

Even some parents are saying in the comments how their autistic child got violent too all of a sudden. Could he have more going on than just autism?



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20 Dec 2011, 4:59 pm

He needs someone who understands him to explain to him how what he does affects other people and to help him realize his best potential.



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20 Dec 2011, 5:06 pm

it happens,there was a kid from boston that stabbed to death a classmate a couple years ago.they got him on murder 1, life without parole in bridgewater state hospital


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20 Dec 2011, 5:12 pm

I guess pubery might be a factor, hormones.

Sad to hear either way.


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20 Dec 2011, 5:30 pm

That sounded familiar. I clicked the link "a series of medications," and it lead to the older article (by the same author) I remembered.

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Whether there is a definitive link between autism and violence — between Trudy Steuernagel’s situation and mine — I cannot say.


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Mine, I decide, must be in part to break the silence about autism’s darker side. We cannot solve this problem by hiding it, the way handicapped children themselves used to be tucked away in cellars. In order to help the young men who endure this rage, someone has to be willing to tell the truth.

Yeah, good job at saying you don't know if there's a connection and that there is a connection at the same time. :roll:



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20 Dec 2011, 6:11 pm

That story, I remember it. It was tragic and I feel bad for the mother. The son didn't even know what he had done. Was wanting to see his mom again and asking after he was in jail about her. The police had to keep up with his routine of Wheel of Fortune.

He was put on 2 million dollar bond.

I don't however appreciate people acting as though all autistics end up like that. They blow up one story yet there are way more incidences of autistics being abused and murdered. No million dollar bonds and the murderers or attackers getting off with nothing.

I also don't like the blogger saying "The monster inside my son"

All this proves is how much prejudism there is against autistics that out of the hundreds if not thousands of cases of autistics being murdered and abused, one story like this lumps us all as monsters.

http://news.change.org/stories/its-just-too-close

He wasn't violent before. Something changed. Was he put on medications that made him aggressive?



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20 Dec 2011, 6:43 pm

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He wasn't violent before. Something changed. Was he put on medications that made him aggressive?


In the earlier story (the one at the link "a series of medications") she says he was at some point misdiagnosed as schizophrenic and was given with drugs for that (neuroleptics). And then, later, another doctor said that that was a misdiagnosis and diagnosed him with "autistic catatonia," which seemed to be correct, since stopping the neuroleptics and starting treatment for catatonia improved things dramatically. I guess that wasn't the end of the story, though.

Oh, and the point being that neuroleptics are known to make "autistic catatonia" worse. Also, if you have it, the odds of having a toxic reaction increase ("neuroleptic malignant syndrome"). I don't know if violence is known to associated with it, though.

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I was up all night, for many nights in a row, with nothing better to do than search online.

The first thing I found was a list of “infrequent” side effects of the very first drug, the antidepressant he’d been given nearly two years before. Among these: auditory hallucinations, narcolepsy and obesity.

The second was an obscure article about a boy who sounded exactly like my son: a high-functioning young man with Asperger’s syndrome who’d suddenly become nonfunctional at the age of 17 and was diagnosed with something called autistic catatonia.

It was 3 a.m. and I was on the couch under a blanket with my dying laptop, alone in the silence of a sleeping house. That’s when I Googled “autistic catatonia” and hit the mother lode. There were dozens of stories, coming from countries all over the world, and each one described in wretched detail the previous year of my son’s life: the slowing, the disintegration, the delusions and insomnia and explosive anger.

In addition, they all warned — each and every journal article, white paper and scientific treatise — that the one thing practitioners should never do is prescribe antipsychotic medications, such as Abilify and Geodon, because they will make the symptoms of autistic catatonia much worse. And it might cause permanent damage.

The third thing I found was a Web site that described neuroleptic malignant syndrome, a slow poisoning by prescription that lasts (and this is the part that caught my attention) even after the drug is stopped.

Finally, believe it or not, we’ve reached the hopeful, lucky part. Only I didn’t know that yet.

I was crazed. Throughout the early morning hours, I e-mailed people. The retired doctor from Stony Brook, N.Y., who had authored original work on autistic catatonia; a therapist from the Netherlands who claimed to have a new method for treating it; researchers at our local university. Then I went to bed and slept fitfully for exactly one hour and 40 minutes.

When I awoke, at 7:30, my e-mail box was full. The most helpful response came from the gentleman once of Stony Brook, now professor emeritus of both psychiatry and neurology, a genuine mensch, living on Long Island with his wife. “Dear Mrs. Bauer,” he’d written at 6:48 a.m., “I know of no one in Minneapolis who understands the connection between autism and catatonia. But the clinicians at Mayo are very knowledgeable. Would you like me to make a referral?” Other messages simply advised me to seek medical attention for my son immediately, to flush the medications from his system. “It sounds as if your son is, indeed, suffering from autistic catatonia,” one doctor wrote. “But I believe most of the symptoms you describe are related to the inappropriate use of neuroleptics.”


I don't know why the mother/author leaves this part out of the newer article. ??



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20 Dec 2011, 7:24 pm

TheygoMew wrote:

I also don't like the blogger saying "The monster inside my son"


http://news.change.org/stories/its-just-too-close



I have an aspie guy friend who says he has "the beast inside" and he keeps it "locked up" and wouldnt date a person liek me cause I cant "keep it at bay"

The more i get to know him the more i find hes so sweet and caring, but it drives me in sane, and he cant stand my sweet and caring nature either....

But i also know and understand just how bad the so called "monster inside" thing is.
I as a female aspie had one as a child and even today, i make sure when im angry in a full onset of rage, once i reach a sertain point I start crying, or theres a "point of no return"

its basically "seeing red" for real.
One just totally blanks out, loses control, one may say the aspie in this rage would be possessed.
Aspies who get to this point (from experience and friend aspies telling me tehir storeis) have absolutely no recollection of the advents that occured while they were in this state of mind..
It can be set off from desperation, it can be set of simple cause of an overload or anything else.

But it happends and a lot of aspies do refer to it as exactly as that mother stated it "the monster inside"



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20 Dec 2011, 7:51 pm

People tend to snap. My guess is that under that progressive behaviour there was a accumulating frustration underlying it. When it reaches critical mass it detonates outwards in an explosive rage.

What people don't seem to understand is that, being ' a part of society' is mentally taxing for an Autistic. Without stress/anger management it'll build up and when you feel cornered, you'll lash out.

I hardly see this connection as surprising, not that it's exclusive to Autism as I'm sure anyone having a extremely stressful time will likely respond the same way after a while.


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20 Dec 2011, 8:42 pm

Teredia wrote:
TheygoMew wrote:

I also don't like the blogger saying "The monster inside my son"


http://news.change.org/stories/its-just-too-close



I have an aspie guy friend who says he has "the beast inside" and he keeps it "locked up" and wouldnt date a person liek me cause I cant "keep it at bay"

The more i get to know him the more i find hes so sweet and caring, but it drives me in sane, and he cant stand my sweet and caring nature either....

But i also know and understand just how bad the so called "monster inside" thing is.
I as a female aspie had one as a child and even today, i make sure when im angry in a full onset of rage, once i reach a sertain point I start crying, or theres a "point of no return"

its basically "seeing red" for real.
One just totally blanks out, loses control, one may say the aspie in this rage would be possessed.
Aspies who get to this point (from experience and friend aspies telling me tehir storeis) have absolutely no recollection of the advents that occured while they were in this state of mind..
It can be set off from desperation, it can be set of simple cause of an overload or anything else.

But it happends and a lot of aspies do refer to it as exactly as that mother stated it "the monster inside"


You don't really have to lecture me about meltdowns. I have been there myself. I know how to contain them now.

There are just way too many examples in the media depicting us as monsters. That was why.



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21 Dec 2011, 3:34 am

Apple_in_my_Eye wrote:
I don't know why the mother/author leaves this part out of the newer article. ??


She left a lot of stuff out of her story to make autism the culprit. She'd also had her son treated with electro-convulsive therapy.

I am pretty frustrated right now because I'd kept a list of all the relevant links, because the whole thing together felt rather dodgy to me.



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21 Dec 2011, 3:39 am

Okay, here's two other links I have:

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2007/0 ... index.html - I think this is the other story Apple_in_my_eye meant?

http://www.ect.org/the-body-electric-ou ... /#more-791

Who knows how many other treatments she didn't write about?



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21 Dec 2011, 4:06 am

Why did she not mention them in her newer article? Maybe because it gets tiring to repeat yourself in every article so you would expect others to go and read your other articles to learn more because it's easier than to repeat yourself? I'm the same way and I think anyone who expects everyone to write a huge essay and repeating themselves in every article has that ridiculous standard.

So this is where the words "backpedaling" and "contradiction" come in and getting all skeptical just because people didn't follow their absurd standards. Don't they realize that maybe the reason why they didn't repeat themselves is because it's tiring and why should they repeat it every time they write about it?



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21 Dec 2011, 4:47 am

There's a difference between not repeating your previous story while still expanding upon it and writing two separate articles that blame your son's behavior on two separate things (being misdiagnosed and medicated for the wrong things, and then autism).

Expecting consistency is not an absurd standard, and skepticism is a reasonable response when one story is presented in two different ways by the same person with no explanation.



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21 Dec 2011, 4:55 am

Verdandi wrote:
Okay, here's two other links I have:

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2007/0 ... index.html - I think this is the other story Apple_in_my_eye meant?

Yeah, that's it.
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http://www.ect.org/the-body-electric-our-sons-condition/#more-791

Who knows how many other treatments she didn't write about?

Yeah, it looks like she's gotten a lot of 'mileage' out of the story that way. I wonder if her motivation was just to get another article published, or if she actually hates autism and wants to promote a connection with violence.



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21 Dec 2011, 4:55 am

I think she's telling the truth about her experience with her son. I do think that this behavior happened after he was on medication that apparently impaired dopamine receptors. With those receptors impaired, people tend to engage in thrill seeking behavior in order to seek stimulation - something similar is part of the reason why ADHD leads to impulsiveness and hyperactivity, for example.