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16 Feb 2012, 4:29 pm

We should form an "ASPIE BROTHERHOOD" or something. We all have something in common and I am sure we do not fit in well with the typical American conformist society. We need to stick together, share our experiences with eachother and help fellow Aspies out in different areas(One Aspie may be good in this, the other is good at that). Learn from eachother! Before it is too late.



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16 Feb 2012, 4:41 pm

I agree entirely, we would be like the freemasons, but with no influence whatsoever lol



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16 Feb 2012, 5:26 pm

i'd join we could work together on creating a coherent structure by combining all our special intrests into one complete teaching



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16 Feb 2012, 5:38 pm

It's a bit like the fissure between blacks who define themselves by slavery and segregation, and others who want to define themselves in spite of it. You get both schools of thought in Aspie circles. Everybody here has been through a lot of nasty stuff.

We should stick together, especially to support each-other practically. There's a lot of pressure to accept the identity that other people carved out for us because that's how you get support from society, but that's like confessing to a crime that you didn't commit. You get a lighter sentence, but they're still not going to treat you well. You're a second class citizen, and your only security is their (extremely dubious) word.

That's not acceptable, and not a long-term strategy. Blacks who've asked white people for help have gotten handouts, but very little opportunity to advance. They can hold advanced degrees and jobs, but only by saying and doing what white people want them to say and do. They're wealthier, but not really free. And they've made those masters even more powerful, so the gap is still just as large. They've also undermined blacks who've tried to fight for real freedom. That's what I don't want: to know that 150 years from now, anyone born into my shoes will be just as disadvantaged. That's clearly what the people who are offering you "free" help are hoping for. We should help each other instead.



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16 Feb 2012, 5:40 pm

I will only consider joining if it is an evil organisation, with legitimate avenues for any and all power to be thoroughly abused.



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16 Feb 2012, 5:56 pm

At most we are justy another 'minority' to be split off from the bulk of society. Cultural Marxism thrives on minorities 'seeking their rights' and such. We are just pawns, disliked pawns at that. The establishment aren't fond of people capable of advanced thought like we are. At most we will just be part of disabled quotas.

Luckily for us aspies can sometimes become very powerful in their own right, look at that Austrian Painter bloke who was in charge of Germany for twelve years!

I definately think we should organise in some way, but not as some aggressive trendy organisation. more like a support network, especially for adults. Pretty much all Aspie and Autistic Spectrum charities seem to focus on children, we are ignored too much.



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16 Feb 2012, 6:26 pm

Damn' right. It's all cool to help kids, but there needs to be a marginally safe niche for people once they grow up.

I would also say that our odds are pretty good. Smart minorities often do well, and the Aspies that I know seem more self-sufficient than the average for people with comparable backgrounds. I would look at Switzerland as a model for how to defend yourself without getting too many people mad at you.



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16 Feb 2012, 7:04 pm

RexWright62985 wrote:
We should form an "ASPIE BROTHERHOOD" or something. We all have something in common and I am sure we do not fit in well with the typical American conformist society. We need to stick together, share our experiences with eachother and help fellow Aspies out in different areas(One Aspie may be good in this, the other is good at that). Learn from eachother! Before it is too late.


I don't know about ASPIE BROTHERHOOD. I'm kinda partial to AS CRIPS. Of course we'd have to hire a taxi for drivebys since so many of the people here don't drive. Don't laugh at the taxi thing, it's much easier than drivebys from a public bus.



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16 Feb 2012, 7:24 pm

Rascal77s wrote:
RexWright62985 wrote:
We should form an "ASPIE BROTHERHOOD" or something. We all have something in common and I am sure we do not fit in well with the typical American conformist society. We need to stick together, share our experiences with eachother and help fellow Aspies out in different areas(One Aspie may be good in this, the other is good at that). Learn from eachother! Before it is too late.


I don't know about ASPIE BROTHERHOOD. I'm kinda partial to AS CRIPS. Of course we'd have to hire a taxi for drivebys since so many of the people here don't drive. Don't laugh at the taxi thing, it's much easier than drivebys from a public bus.


We need a rep. system on here. That had me laughing quite loudly.



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16 Feb 2012, 7:39 pm

I think aspies generally tend towards independence, lone wolf types. Aspies don't form cohesive social flocks so well as the NTs.

That is no slight on either neurotype, just an observation/opinion.

Aspies being around other aspies doesn't make social difficulties and communication mismatches go away.


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16 Feb 2012, 8:11 pm

I agree with this! But with social issues that many aspies have (Myself included) it would be easier said than done.


But I hate to say it but it would probably look like a joke to the NT population, Jay Leno & David Letterman would probably have a field day roasting this aspie brotherhood in their monologs.

Especially when you consider the fact that many people consider AS a disbitity.

LOL @ Rascal77 post, I was cracking up in real life, highlight of my day.



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16 Feb 2012, 8:17 pm

Seriously, how would it be organized, and to what purpose?

I mean, what would this organization actually do and how would it go about doing it?



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16 Feb 2012, 8:24 pm

Fnord wrote:
Seriously, how would it be organized, and to what purpose?

I mean, what would this organization actually do and how would it go about doing it?


Aspies combining their special skills and interests. I don't think us Aspies use our full potentional and a big reason of that is because we turn into either recluses or just out of society. Say one Aspie has a college degree in something, one can read people well, one has a special trade, one served in the military/good with guns, one is a good driver, one is good at history, one math, one at art, one geography, etc, etc.



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16 Feb 2012, 8:25 pm

Rascal77s wrote:
RexWright62985 wrote:
We should form an "ASPIE BROTHERHOOD" or something. We all have something in common and I am sure we do not fit in well with the typical American conformist society. We need to stick together, share our experiences with eachother and help fellow Aspies out in different areas(One Aspie may be good in this, the other is good at that). Learn from eachother! Before it is too late.


I don't know about ASPIE BROTHERHOOD. I'm kinda partial to AS CRIPS. Of course we'd have to hire a taxi for drivebys since so many of the people here don't drive. Don't laugh at the taxi thing, it's much easier than drivebys from a public bus.


ASRA(Aspergers Rebel Army)



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16 Feb 2012, 8:31 pm

RexWright62985 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Seriously, how would it be organized, and to what purpose? I mean, what would this organization actually do and how would it go about doing it?
Aspies combining their special skills and interests. I don't think us Aspies use our full potentional and a big reason of that is because we turn into either recluses or just out of society. Say one Aspie has a college degree in something, one can read people well, one has a special trade, one served in the military/good with guns, one is a good driver, one is good at history, one math, one at art, one geography, etc, etc.

What you describe is population diversity, not organization. "Combining skills" is not a purpose, it is a vaguely-worded method.

Would this be a corporation, a social network, a support group ... what?

Would the purpose be education, manufacturing, retail, scientific research, socializing ... what?



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16 Feb 2012, 8:46 pm

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LOL @ Rascal77 post, I was cracking up in real life, highlight of my day.


Oh, he was joking? Darn. I was about to suggest that magnetic bombs and motorcycles are more trendy these days. An' yanow, the Aspie CRIPS would have to be in style...

Really, how much of the social difficulty that you all love to dwell on is just that you don't know who you are inside?

I have three uncles who are always at odds. Their personal styles are night-and-day different, but their real nature is identical. They hate each-other because the Greco-Mesopotamian culture that they were raised with demonizes strength, and each one sees in the others the same strengths that he's trying to destroy in himself. The cure? Stop letting a bunch of brain-dead goat-herders tell you what's good and bad.

Really, look at the Mideast; look at Europe for the 1,000 years before there were scads of US troops keeping them from killing each-other; look at them quarreling now that we're drawing our troops down. Is that an ideal worth waging war on your own instincts for? Rather than half-heartedly (brokenheartedly?) joking about CRIPS and drivebys, why not get a pair (heck, even a pair for each of you so that you don't have to share) and get to know yourselves. The rather than being at odds with everyone who has anything in common with who you really are inside, rather than being bad at being something unnatural, rather than being alone with the self that you hate because you can't stand anyone who reminds you of it, and rather than being constantly worn-out living an act when everyone that you have to compete against gets to flit around on impulse, you could be good at being who you really are, know who your natural allies are, build effective teams, and win.

[edit]: Oh, and I wouldn't say it's "just population diversity" if what we're talking about is a skill-share. Populations can be diverse and still not work together.



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