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07 Apr 2012, 1:27 pm

Autism is a neurological disorder.

Autism is not a mental illness.

Get rid of the shrinks and bring in the neurological scientists.



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07 Apr 2012, 1:31 pm

Don't shrinks help people more who have autism more than neurological scientists?


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07 Apr 2012, 1:39 pm

Alexender wrote:
Don't shrinks help people more who have autism more than neurological scientists?


No. Shrinks have all been more or less entirely useless to me.

I agree with the OP. Especially in my case of NVLD, where it's an easily definable and testable neurological disorder causing ASlike symptoms.



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07 Apr 2012, 1:40 pm

1000Knives wrote:
Alexender wrote:
Don't shrinks help people more who have autism more than neurological scientists?


No. Shrinks have all been more or less entirely useless to me.

I agree with the OP. Especially in my case of NVLD, where it's an easily definable and testable neurological disorder causing ASlike symptoms.


I am not officially diagnosed but all a psychiatrist has done for me is make it so I refuse to take behavioral medication.


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07 Apr 2012, 2:08 pm

It is a mental disorder...so it still fits.


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07 Apr 2012, 2:52 pm

Autism is not a mental disorder.

Autism is caused by abnormal brain structure, growth, and function, and abnormal organization within the central nervous system.



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07 Apr 2012, 2:59 pm

The DSM's definition of mental disorder does not at any point state its not neurological in origin.

DSM wrote:
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A. A clinically significant behavioral or psychological syndrome or pattern that occurs in an individual

B. Is associated with present distress (e.g., a painful symptom) or disability (i.e., impairment in one or more important areas of functioning) or with a significantly increased risk of suffering death, pain, disability, or an important loss of freedom

C. Must not be merely an expectable and culturally sanctioned response to a particular event, for example, the death of a loved one

D. A manifestation of a behavioral, psychological, or biological dysfunction in the individual

E. Neither deviant behavior (e.g., political, religious, or sexual) nor conflicts that are primarily between the individual and society are mental disorders unless the deviance or conflict is a symptom of a dysfunction in the individual

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F. No definition adequately specifies precise boundaries for the concept of "mental disorder”

G. The concept of mental disorder (like many other concepts in medicine and science) lacks a consistent operational definition that covers all situations



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07 Apr 2012, 3:01 pm

http://cirrie.buffalo.edu/encyclopedia/en/article/285/

Fascinating read on autism neurological hardwiring.



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07 Apr 2012, 3:22 pm

I think it's important to note that neurological and mental disorders are intertwined. A lot of neurological disorders cause mental health problems and a lot of mental health problems are believed to have neurological causes. For example depression is a mental health disorder however there is increasing evidence that a lack of blood flow to certain parts of the brain (such as the amygdala and the hippocampus) is behind the illness. Further studies show the electro convulsive therapy works to treat depression by destroying neural connections in certain parts of the brain where there are too many.
There are also neurological conditions such as epilepsy that have a very high rate of co-morbid conditions like depression, OCD, GAD etc. Parkinsons is another neurological illness that goes hand in hand with depression.
As for aspergers there are higher rates of depression and anxiety within people who have it than say in the general population.

What I'm trying to say anyway is that although aspergers may have a neurological basis I still see it as a mental health issue. But as a mental health issue with a neurological basis. However I'm not sure of the efficacy of using medications to treat it. I still think the best place for evaluation and for treatment is from a psychiatrist as they can treat any other co-morbid problems that may exist with it and can refer the patient to other services such as social skills classes etc.

But I do know what you are saying. I hate the connotations that are attached to "mental illness". Even though I suffer from mental illness I would never class myself or call myself as someone who is "mentally ill".

I hope I haven't offended anyone or anything and what I have said makes sense :)



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07 Apr 2012, 3:49 pm

I guess my logical brain desires autism to be addressed by neurologists who have found the cause and can investigate ways to help us re-wire our brains to help overcome functional deficits. Research has shown that learning actually paves new pathways thru the brain. We can form the connections we need.

Any mental "abnormalities" are actually perfectly reasonable and logical responses to the hardwiring in our brain and nervous system. The mental is the soft response; the neurological is the hard cause. I'd rather work with the root of the matter.

Our behavior may seem "abnormal" to neurotypicals but it is a natural outcome of our neurological makeup. Trying to change behavior that is legitimately tied to hardwiring is not the best way to approach the problems.

MRIs, PETs, EEGs, MEGs etc distinctly show the differences, the reasons.



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07 Apr 2012, 4:24 pm

Problem is, our current neurological interventions are basically the equivalent of banging with a hammer. Very few things can be successfully treated neurologically. Whereas many psychological treatments, despite not getting to the root of the matter, do help.

Besides, the neurological-psychological connection goes both ways. For example, psychological trauma rewires your brain. Why couldn't CBT do so too?



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07 Apr 2012, 4:53 pm

Most mental health issues are neurological in basis, anorexia nervosa, anxiety, depression etc psychologists are the best to deal with it because neurologists are more like diagnosed you now get out



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07 Apr 2012, 5:04 pm

Cascadians wrote:
Autism is a neurological disorder.

Autism is not a mental illness.

Get rid of the shrinks and bring in the neurological scientists.


I agree, but I feel the same way about so-called mental disorders. Ultimately, they are all either a neurological disorder or a neurochemical imbalance, or both. All neurological disorders should be diagnosed and treated by neurologists rather than Freudian witch doctors (psychologists) and henchmen of the pharmaceutical industry (psychiatrists).

I also think that the USA should adopt the ICD-10. There is no reason to use a separate diagnostic manual for mental / neurological conditions as if they were somehow different from other organic or functional disorders.



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07 Apr 2012, 5:12 pm

JoeRose wrote:
As for aspergers there are higher rates of depression and anxiety within people who have it than say in the general population.


Persons that are labeled a disorder, excluded from intimate relationships, bullied, ostracized in the workplace, etc.. oh they get depressed. That must be because they are aspergers.. *doh*

Causation and correlation is not the same thing.



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07 Apr 2012, 5:18 pm

Keyman wrote:
JoeRose wrote:
As for aspergers there are higher rates of depression and anxiety within people who have it than say in the general population.


Persons that are labeled a disorder, excluded from intimate relationships, bullied, ostracized in the workplace, etc.. oh they get depressed. That must be because they are aspergers.. *doh*

Causation and correlation is not the same thing.


I don't see what is wrong with what she said. People with aspergers have more trouble with the things you mentioned, so they get depressed a higher percentage of the time.


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07 Apr 2012, 5:22 pm

The depression comes how the environment treats people with aspergers, not from aspergers itself.