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18 Apr 2012, 10:52 pm
UnLoser wrote:
... why couldn't God take the easy way out and just snap his fingers and free us from our sins?
Because salvation has to be profitable
Even the message "Jesus died for your sins" is nothing but bait. Once you believe that, you're told that your sins aren't really forgiven and you can still end up in hell if you don't convert to Christianity, do whatever the clergy says, and give your hard-earned money to Jesus' little helpers.
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20 Apr 2012, 1:19 pm
CrazyCatLord wrote:
Joker wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
... and to deceive impoverished, gullible people by telling them that condoms help spread AIDS instead of preventing it 
But yes, they also collect money for the poor and destitute. How much of this money arrives at those in need is anyone's bet.
Mother Teresa raised vast amounts of money that was supposed to help starving people in Africa, flood victims in Bangladesh, and poor children in India. Much of it was donated by deeply religious people who were rather poor themselves. So where did it end up? Most of it just sat in the bank accounts of the Missionaries of Charity and gained interest ($50 million in one New York bank account, according to Christopher Hitchens). A lot of the rest was used to build additional nunneries and increase the number of unpaid foot soldiers of the Catholic Church. Only a small fraction was really applied to charitable purposes.
But yes, they also collect money for the poor and destitute. How much of this money arrives at those in need is anyone's bet. Mother Teresa raised vast amounts of money that was supposed to help starving people in Africa, flood victims in Bangladesh, and poor children in India. Much of it was donated by deeply religious people who were rather poor themselves. So where did it end up? Most of it just sat in the bank accounts of the Missionaries of Charity and gained interest ($50 million in one New York bank account, according to Christopher Hitchens). A lot of the rest was used to build additional nunneries and increase the number of unpaid foot soldiers of the Catholic Church. Only a small fraction was really applied to charitable purposes.
That is what the Catholics have done not proestants.
The Protestant churches are also quite wealthy. They don't have their own bank and their own little state full of priceless art and plundered cultural treasures (such as the largest repository of original Hebrew manuscripts that were stolen from massacred or forcefully converted Jews), but they do have vast land holdings, buildings, institutions and financial assets. They are businesses, not charities.
I go to a very small methodist church we are not that wealthy we go to Costa Rica every year and do fund raisers to help out the poor in our community we even give out free food every week that we personally grow ourselfs. But it seems you will just view us all the same in the end even though we are not.
20 Apr 2012, 1:22 pm
Joker wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
Joker wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
... and to deceive impoverished, gullible people by telling them that condoms help spread AIDS instead of preventing it But yes, they also collect money for the poor and destitute. How much of this money arrives at those in need is anyone's bet.
Mother Teresa raised vast amounts of money that was supposed to help starving people in Africa, flood victims in Bangladesh, and poor children in India. Much of it was donated by deeply religious people who were rather poor themselves. So where did it end up? Most of it just sat in the bank accounts of the Missionaries of Charity and gained interest ($50 million in one New York bank account, according to Christopher Hitchens). A lot of the rest was used to build additional nunneries and increase the number of unpaid foot soldiers of the Catholic Church. Only a small fraction was really applied to charitable purposes.
But yes, they also collect money for the poor and destitute. How much of this money arrives at those in need is anyone's bet. Mother Teresa raised vast amounts of money that was supposed to help starving people in Africa, flood victims in Bangladesh, and poor children in India. Much of it was donated by deeply religious people who were rather poor themselves. So where did it end up? Most of it just sat in the bank accounts of the Missionaries of Charity and gained interest ($50 million in one New York bank account, according to Christopher Hitchens). A lot of the rest was used to build additional nunneries and increase the number of unpaid foot soldiers of the Catholic Church. Only a small fraction was really applied to charitable purposes.
That is what the Catholics have done not proestants.
The Protestant churches are also quite wealthy. They don't have their own bank and their own little state full of priceless art and plundered cultural treasures (such as the largest repository of original Hebrew manuscripts that were stolen from massacred or forcefully converted Jews), but they do have vast land holdings, buildings, institutions and financial assets. They are businesses, not charities.
I go to a very small methodist church we are not that wealthy we go to Costa Rica every year and do fund raisers to help out the poor in our community we even give out free food every week that we personally grow ourselfs. But it seems you will just view us all the same in the end even though we are not.
If your church is not wealthy, why do you guys go to Costa Rica every year?
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20 Apr 2012, 1:23 pm
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
Joker wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
It's a scam that allows an entire clerical class of people to make a comfortable living without doing anything of value, provides them with social status, and gives them a great deal of influence. It also allows politicians to deceive and control the faithful masses by masquerading their own agenda as the will of god.
Churches do mission trips all around the world with out a religious motive like helping towns that get hit by tornados hurricanes ect.
... and to deceive impoverished, gullible people by telling them that condoms help spread AIDS instead of preventing it
But yes, they also collect money for the poor and destitute. How much of this money arrives at those in need is anyone's bet. Mother Teresa raised vast amounts of money that was supposed to help starving people in Africa, flood victims in Bangladesh, and poor children in India. Much of it was donated by deeply religious people who were rather poor themselves. So where did it end up? Most of it just sat in the bank accounts of the Missionaries of Charity and gained interest ($50 million in one New York bank account, according to Christopher Hitchens). A lot of the rest was used to build additional nunneries and increase the number of unpaid foot soldiers of the Catholic Church. Only a small fraction was really applied to charitable purposes.
That is what the Catholics have done not proestants.
You're perfectly correct. What the protestants do is send Bibles to Japan instead of food and blankets, attempt to cross international borders in total defiance of the authority of multiple nations (and then b***h at the USA when they get caught), and ship food and supplies to impoverished nations that they'll only hand out if their 'beneficiaries' attend Sunday school and convert to the Faith.
Soooooo much morally better.
Not true at all we give out the food and water with out asking them to attend church how ever some churches do that but how ever mine does not we do Mission trips for the people that want to know about our faiths. And we also do humanitaritan work as well way to go generatlizing us all as one big group and you are talkin to me about morals
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20 Apr 2012, 6:05 pm
Vigilans wrote:
Joker wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
Joker wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
... and to deceive impoverished, gullible people by telling them that condoms help spread AIDS instead of preventing it But yes, they also collect money for the poor and destitute. How much of this money arrives at those in need is anyone's bet.
Mother Teresa raised vast amounts of money that was supposed to help starving people in Africa, flood victims in Bangladesh, and poor children in India. Much of it was donated by deeply religious people who were rather poor themselves. So where did it end up? Most of it just sat in the bank accounts of the Missionaries of Charity and gained interest ($50 million in one New York bank account, according to Christopher Hitchens). A lot of the rest was used to build additional nunneries and increase the number of unpaid foot soldiers of the Catholic Church. Only a small fraction was really applied to charitable purposes.
But yes, they also collect money for the poor and destitute. How much of this money arrives at those in need is anyone's bet. Mother Teresa raised vast amounts of money that was supposed to help starving people in Africa, flood victims in Bangladesh, and poor children in India. Much of it was donated by deeply religious people who were rather poor themselves. So where did it end up? Most of it just sat in the bank accounts of the Missionaries of Charity and gained interest ($50 million in one New York bank account, according to Christopher Hitchens). A lot of the rest was used to build additional nunneries and increase the number of unpaid foot soldiers of the Catholic Church. Only a small fraction was really applied to charitable purposes.
That is what the Catholics have done not proestants.
The Protestant churches are also quite wealthy. They don't have their own bank and their own little state full of priceless art and plundered cultural treasures (such as the largest repository of original Hebrew manuscripts that were stolen from massacred or forcefully converted Jews), but they do have vast land holdings, buildings, institutions and financial assets. They are businesses, not charities.
I go to a very small methodist church we are not that wealthy we go to Costa Rica every year and do fund raisers to help out the poor in our community we even give out free food every week that we personally grow ourselfs. But it seems you will just view us all the same in the end even though we are not.
If your church is not wealthy, why do you guys go to Costa Rica every year?
We raise money by donig fund raisers to pay for the trip.
20 Apr 2012, 6:11 pm
Joker wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Joker wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
Joker wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
... and to deceive impoverished, gullible people by telling them that condoms help spread AIDS instead of preventing it But yes, they also collect money for the poor and destitute. How much of this money arrives at those in need is anyone's bet.
Mother Teresa raised vast amounts of money that was supposed to help starving people in Africa, flood victims in Bangladesh, and poor children in India. Much of it was donated by deeply religious people who were rather poor themselves. So where did it end up? Most of it just sat in the bank accounts of the Missionaries of Charity and gained interest ($50 million in one New York bank account, according to Christopher Hitchens). A lot of the rest was used to build additional nunneries and increase the number of unpaid foot soldiers of the Catholic Church. Only a small fraction was really applied to charitable purposes.
But yes, they also collect money for the poor and destitute. How much of this money arrives at those in need is anyone's bet. Mother Teresa raised vast amounts of money that was supposed to help starving people in Africa, flood victims in Bangladesh, and poor children in India. Much of it was donated by deeply religious people who were rather poor themselves. So where did it end up? Most of it just sat in the bank accounts of the Missionaries of Charity and gained interest ($50 million in one New York bank account, according to Christopher Hitchens). A lot of the rest was used to build additional nunneries and increase the number of unpaid foot soldiers of the Catholic Church. Only a small fraction was really applied to charitable purposes.
That is what the Catholics have done not proestants.
The Protestant churches are also quite wealthy. They don't have their own bank and their own little state full of priceless art and plundered cultural treasures (such as the largest repository of original Hebrew manuscripts that were stolen from massacred or forcefully converted Jews), but they do have vast land holdings, buildings, institutions and financial assets. They are businesses, not charities.
I go to a very small methodist church we are not that wealthy we go to Costa Rica every year and do fund raisers to help out the poor in our community we even give out free food every week that we personally grow ourselfs. But it seems you will just view us all the same in the end even though we are not.
If your church is not wealthy, why do you guys go to Costa Rica every year?
We raise money by donig fund raisers to pay for the trip.
So you siphon money from the already-destitute, removing it from the local economy, so you can go to another nation and make yourselves feel better about helping them rather than extending a hand to those in need at home.
Stiiiiiill not detecting the presence of any moral high ground.
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20 Apr 2012, 6:17 pm
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Joker wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
Joker wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
... and to deceive impoverished, gullible people by telling them that condoms help spread AIDS instead of preventing it But yes, they also collect money for the poor and destitute. How much of this money arrives at those in need is anyone's bet.
Mother Teresa raised vast amounts of money that was supposed to help starving people in Africa, flood victims in Bangladesh, and poor children in India. Much of it was donated by deeply religious people who were rather poor themselves. So where did it end up? Most of it just sat in the bank accounts of the Missionaries of Charity and gained interest ($50 million in one New York bank account, according to Christopher Hitchens). A lot of the rest was used to build additional nunneries and increase the number of unpaid foot soldiers of the Catholic Church. Only a small fraction was really applied to charitable purposes.
But yes, they also collect money for the poor and destitute. How much of this money arrives at those in need is anyone's bet. Mother Teresa raised vast amounts of money that was supposed to help starving people in Africa, flood victims in Bangladesh, and poor children in India. Much of it was donated by deeply religious people who were rather poor themselves. So where did it end up? Most of it just sat in the bank accounts of the Missionaries of Charity and gained interest ($50 million in one New York bank account, according to Christopher Hitchens). A lot of the rest was used to build additional nunneries and increase the number of unpaid foot soldiers of the Catholic Church. Only a small fraction was really applied to charitable purposes.
That is what the Catholics have done not proestants.
The Protestant churches are also quite wealthy. They don't have their own bank and their own little state full of priceless art and plundered cultural treasures (such as the largest repository of original Hebrew manuscripts that were stolen from massacred or forcefully converted Jews), but they do have vast land holdings, buildings, institutions and financial assets. They are businesses, not charities.
I go to a very small methodist church we are not that wealthy we go to Costa Rica every year and do fund raisers to help out the poor in our community we even give out free food every week that we personally grow ourselfs. But it seems you will just view us all the same in the end even though we are not.
If your church is not wealthy, why do you guys go to Costa Rica every year?
We raise money by donig fund raisers to pay for the trip.
So you siphon money from the already-destitute, removing it from the local economy, so you can go to another nation and make yourselves feel better about helping them rather than extending a hand to those in need at home.
Stiiiiiill not detecting the presence of any moral high ground.
This year we went to Boone in NC and donated about three thousand clothes for the homless shelter in Boone which is the largest next week I am in charge of taking to youth to help do yard work for the eldery we do not do it to feel good or for a religious reason we do it for humanitarian reasons rather then a religious one.
When Katrina hit New Orleans I took the week off from school and a few youth memmebers did to so we could help clean of the damages and built peoples homes back. But not for a RELIGIOUS reason we do a lot of humanitarian work for our country and many other countries as well not to make ourselfs feel good or for a religious reason my church does a lot fo humanitarian work.
Next week we will be doing some fundraiser to help raise money for breast cancer research.
