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How do you regard the Federal Reserve?
Favourably 18%  18%  [ 4 ]
Unfavourably 77%  77%  [ 17 ]
Just show the results 5%  5%  [ 1 ]
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07 Jun 2012, 11:39 am

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There's still a lot of goodwill out there but clearly they can't drive that toward a supernova. I'd think also that they have accountability both to the people of the US as well as foreign buyers.


Certainly for its regulatory functions the Fed is answerable to Congress, and Congress has the whip hand, because Congress is the body that created the Fed and can change its statutes.

But for the value of the dollar, surely the market is the arbiter--not the electorate.


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07 Jun 2012, 11:47 am

According to Ben Bernanke, the Federal Reserve Board is running out of options right now.

http://economywatch.msnbc.msn.com/_news ... slows?lite

Does anyone have any different opinions on what the Federal Reserve should do right now? Other than for Ben Bernanke to stay the Hell out of Texas?



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07 Jun 2012, 11:51 am

visagrunt wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
There's still a lot of goodwill out there but clearly they can't drive that toward a supernova. I'd think also that they have accountability both to the people of the US as well as foreign buyers.


Certainly for its regulatory functions the Fed is answerable to Congress, and Congress has the whip hand, because Congress is the body that created the Fed and can change its statutes.

I have to agree with AG, that's bad. Its essentially saying that any big financial firm who has senators or representatives on the campaign dole essentially has their hand on the buttons of the money press by proxy.


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07 Jun 2012, 1:05 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
I have to agree with AG, that's bad. Its essentially saying that any big financial firm who has senators or representatives on the campaign dole essentially has their hand on the buttons of the money press by proxy.


But, again, that's why you never, ever put monetary policy in the same hands as the people who exercise fiscal policy.

Senators and Representatives cannot start the presses. They can only authorize the government to borrow dollars that they are too cowardly to raise through taxes. And so long as people are willing to buy that debt through the purchase of dollars, the government can continue to finance its fiscal policy debt. But as we know that capacity is not infinite.

So the problem, as I see it, is not with the Fed at all--the fed is controlling inflation through the usual money supply levers. The problem is with fiscal policy, and a Congress that wilfully refuses to raise the money that is required to discharge the governments obligatory spending (let alone its discretionary spending) through taxes.


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08 Jun 2012, 9:17 am

Speaking of fiscal policy, Ben Bernanke is now warning of a "Taxmageddon", now that the Bush tax cuts are about to expire.

http://news.yahoo.com/fed-chairman-ben- ... itics.html

It seems that nobody wants a balanced fiscal budget.



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08 Jun 2012, 5:13 pm

It looks as if private debt is falling, while government debt is rising.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-debt-lo ... 45522.html

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...As much as we hear politicians, pundits, tea-party patriots and the Congressional Budget Office obsessing about government debt, it was excessive private debt — not public debt — that caused the 2008 financial meltdown. And it was private debt — some of it since transferred to the public — that lies behind the current European debt crisis. (Greece is unique in having a public sector that ran up spending while its private sector is rather conservative.)

As the political rhetoric about the federal deficit has heated up, we’ve lost sight of the progress that’s been made in bringing total debt back under control. The U.S. is actually doing much better than you’d think if you just listened to the conventional fears about how we’re rushing headlong into a debt Armageddon.

In fact, since the recession ended in June 2009, total U.S. debt has risen at the slowest pace since they began keeping records in the early 1950s. While Washington has taken on a lot of debt since then, the private sector has paid off, written off or dumped on the government almost as much.

As a share of the economy, debt has plunged as a consequence of rapid deleveraging by families, banks, nonfinancial businesses, and state and local governments. The ratio of total debt to gross domestic product has fallen from 3.73 times GDP to 3.36 times.

In the 11 quarters since the recession officially ended, total domestic debt has risen by just $702 billion, or 1.4%. By contrast, in the 11 quarters before the recession began, in those bubble years of 2005, 2006 and 2007, total debt increased by $10.7 trillion, or 28%
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And it wasn’t just the U.S., other advanced economies were adding on to their debt loads as well, with most of the debt taken out by the private sector.

Debt was growing at an unsustainable pace, but it was fueling the U.S. and global economies.

Economists who have studied the impact of indebtedness have found that low levels of debt are essential to growth, but that high levels of total outstanding debt can hurt an economy. Beyond a tipping point, adding on more debt will reduce growth over the long run, even if it inflates a bubble in the short run.

At low levels, debt is good. It is a source of economic growth and stability,” concluded Stephen Cecchetti, M.S. Mohanty and Fabrizio Zampolli, economists for the Bank of International Settlements, in a paper presented at the Federal Reserve’s Jackson Hole conference last August. “Beyond a certain point, debt becomes dangerous and excessive,” and can lead to increased volatility, financial fragility and slower growth. It can even bring down the real economy with it, as we have seen. Read the BIS paper, “The Real Effects of Debt.”

Cecchetti and his co-authors found that growth can be impaired once nonfinancial corporate debt hits about 90% of GDP, or when household debts hit 85% of GDP, or when public debts hit about 85%.

In the U.S., household debt has now fallen to 84% of GDP from a peak of 98%. Nonfinancial corporate debt has fallen to 77% from a peak of 83%. Financial sector debt has plunged from 123% of GDP to 89%. Public debt has risen to 89% from 56%.

The deleveraging process in the private sector still has a ways to run, not based on some economists’ rule of thumb, but based on what real people are actually doing. Banks and households are still slashing their debt, while nonfinancial companies are beginning to borrow again, but only a little, according to the latest data from the Federal Reserve’s flow of funds report. Take a look at the flow of funds.

According to a study by McKinsey published earlier this year, U.S. households may have two more years of deleveraging left before their debts are sustainable again.

If McKinsey is right, the U.S. economy may have to endure a couple more years of slow growth.



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09 Jun 2012, 11:50 pm

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Well let's be clear, a great deal of economic activity takes place on the basis of creditworthy relationships.

If my promise to pay is good enough for the bank that holds my mortgage and issued my credit card, and if their assessment of my credit worthiness is good enough for the shareholders of that bank to continue their investment, then why is that any different for the federal reserve?

The investors of the world see the United States as a good bet. They believe that US government debt is a reliable investment vehicle, and they buy dollars as a result.

If the issuance of US currency was truly a matter of sleight of hand, as the doubters are so fond of trying to maintain, then why would anybody ever buy US dollars? Why wouldn't you just put your money in gold and commodities futures?

It's an old cliché that a thing is worth what people will pay for it. And people are clearly willing to pay for US dollars. So that suggests to me that the fed is not so unreliable as others would like to believe.


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09 Jun 2012, 11:55 pm

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It seems like the Reserve is a private business doing the government's job. Private businesses only exist to make profits, not to look after the interests of the nation. Plus, by printing money and setting interest rates, the Reserve is controlling (financially) the government. That's too much power.

It's a mixed agency. The head of the federal reserve is actually put into power by the US government, and the organization itself has a government mandate. It is not a wholly private corporation, and analyzing it as such would be a mistake.


Incorrect.



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24 Jun 2012, 7:09 pm

Poorly managed. Not Constitutionally authorized. I want the Federal Reserved nationalized under Congress. I want every single monetary meeting on CSPAN. I want the people to understand that they can't hate their Congress and love their congressman. I don't believe that fractional-reserve banking is necessary. I don't think it is fringe to think that people's credit should have predictable value. I would like to see Hayek's ideas in Choice in Currency and Denationalization of Money implimented. Either the people would have to understand what they are doing by supporting so much government expenditures, or their dollar would just wane...



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25 Jun 2012, 1:38 am

The Republicans have no meaningful points on the matter. Central banks are supposed to be concerned with employment first and price stability second. That's how it was in the golden age of the post-war settlement. The Federal Reserve is devoted officially to both goals though it's well-known that the Fed will create unemployment in the name of price stability. The Republicans want a more extreme version of this; create massive unemployment to maintain zero inflation.



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25 Jun 2012, 1:43 am

So-called hard money populism is dangerous nonsense that's designed to create unemployment and scarcity for what exactly? So people can hoard money for decades and have it keep its value? That serves us how exactly? How does it make sense for there to be workers and factories there but, sorry, we can't produce anything because there isn't enough gold. Sorry. All that just has to be idled. Forget about printing any money to pay these people to produce because that's theft, just leave them idling there.



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25 Jun 2012, 1:56 pm

slave wrote:
Incorrect.


Easily said. And wholly and entirely unsubstantiated.

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