This is what the European right-wing looks like

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HisDivineMajesty
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17 Jul 2012, 10:56 pm

This is an interesting video I just found out about. It's going to be the PVV's main television ad for September's elections.
The things said here are essentially true, but presented in a rather clumsy way. Shown below is the video, and below the video is my translation.
Any thoughts?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2n3uQpurTE[/youtube]

Translation wrote:
Don’t let them fool you. These elections will be about just one thing:
[dramatic music]

The European Union. Is there anyone left who still believes in it? We have to pay billions for Greece. We’re spending far too much money. Forged statistics. A lot of public servants. And now it’s Spain that needs our help, along with Portugal and Cyprus. And perhaps Italy is next. Banks and countries that are practically bankrupt - but you can pay.

On Schiphol Airport, planes full of new hopeless immigrants arrive every day. There is barely anything we can do about our own immigration policies. Brussels is in charge of our borders, and premier Rutte supports them. There is too much Islam in the Netherlands already. Enough is enough. Islamisation is getting out of hand – because of the European Union, which forces us to keep our borders wide open. Mass immigration costs at least 7 billion a year.
[this is the part with mosques, minarets and hijabs, for obvious reasons]

The government gladly follows orders from Brussels. It’s hardworking citizens who pay. Our purchasing power is in freefall. Value added tax is being raised. Health care is going to cost much more. Excise duty is going to rise even more. The elderly will have to pay for their own walkers. And all of that to keep Southern Europe afloat. If you take a car, or a train, you’re on the losing end of the deal because of a new commuter tax. For hardworking people stuck in traffic every day, that could be hundreds a month. Thank you, ruling party.

But it gets worse. Brussels also wants to dictate our retirement plans, our mortgages and our social programmes. They’re very happy we have premier Mark Rutte. The undemocratic eurocrats can always count on him for their policies. He signs every blank check he’s given. We’re the largest net contributor to the European Union. That’s another 7 billion a year.
[sounds of coins and cash registers throughout this segment]

But the Euro project has failed awfully by now. The Euro isn’t money – it costs us money. The European Union is a disaster for this country. No self-controlled currency anymore, no self-controlled immigration policy anymore, no more independence, but we do get the responsibility for paying billions to near-bankrupt countries and banks.

On September 12, we will vote about Brussels. Our party is the only party that really stands for quitting the European Union, and quitting the Euro.



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17 Jul 2012, 11:01 pm

Bunch of drunks.

It is Spain and Greece that are paying the most.

The EU right wing are the ones pushing and succeeding in stupid austerity laws and making sure the poor pay the mistakes of the rich instead of the other way around. It is sort of fair. But to then come going emo and cutting their wrists because they think they are even remotely paying for the Greek and Spanish crisis is so insulting and lame.


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17 Jul 2012, 11:25 pm

Nah - one of their characteristics is that they're usually much more supportive of welfare and accessible public services than market liberals. Even before the economy went down, this political party was demanding investments in care for the elderly, in education and in expanding police forces by redirecting manpower from paperwork to the streets. Other right-wing parties throughout Europe have voted against austerity measures much more than labour parties and liberal parties have. Basically, this right-wing party has much more interesting plans than any leftist parties for people who require permanent care because of old age, or for those who receive welfare because they are unable to work.

Here's more. The amount of money we're guaranteeing for a European fund that will be empty within two years is estimated, depending on calculations, to be between 40 billion and 134 billion. This is money we're losing, and money we certainly can't spare, with a budget deficit now higher than that of many countries in Southern Europe while in our third year of rather extreme austerity measures that have also caused our economy to collapse. We're in the worst economic direction since the end of World War II. And then 4.7% of our annual GDP, or almost 20% in the worst case, is donated to one European Union fund.

Edit: another thing that could explain why these parties are so popular: one day, voters are told that there need to be cuts in education because there is no money. They're told their parents can either buy their own walkers or stop walking altogether. There are reports of mentally-handicapped people kept chained to walls in institutions, and elderly people in retirement homes who have 'pajama days' because there is no money for staff to take them out of bed and wash them. But when some anonymous European Union fund needs money, these same people have no problem signing away the collective income of millions of people while denying them a referendum.



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17 Jul 2012, 11:28 pm

When I opened the thread I was sort of expecting to see this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGMNAFpa8wY[/youtube]


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17 Jul 2012, 11:35 pm

And you know the situation is bad when almost 7% of Greek voters still support them after that incident.
Plus, actively sporting nazi-like symbols. And some other incidents involvings threats and war rhetoric.



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18 Jul 2012, 12:38 am

HisDivineMajesty wrote:
And you know the situation is bad when almost 7% of Greek voters still support them after that incident.
Plus, actively sporting nazi-like symbols. And some other incidents involvings threats and war rhetoric.


Really? War with who? 8O


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18 Jul 2012, 1:39 am

The Great Depression gave Europe Hitler. The Lesser Depression, it only seems reasonable, would result in a lesser but still substantial rise in far-right thugs.


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18 Jul 2012, 1:54 am

Pyrite wrote:
HisDivineMajesty wrote:
And you know the situation is bad when almost 7% of Greek voters still support them after that incident.
Plus, actively sporting nazi-like symbols. And some other incidents involvings threats and war rhetoric.


Really? War with who? 8O


I think they want to retake all of Cyprus and attack Macedonia or something like that. They're really are neo-Nazis, it's pretty scary the depths the Greek people when they feel they have no other options. About the same percentage of people voted for the Communist Party, which is a hardcore Stalinist one I believe not a the wimpy social democrat kind in other European countries.



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18 Jul 2012, 4:59 am

Sorry, HDM. Ik kan niet lezen.



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18 Jul 2012, 7:27 am

The KKE is blatantly Stalinist in every meaning of the word. A product of a bygone era. They continually hark back to the Greek Civil War in an attempt to glorify their militant past, yet are effectively a parliamentarian-party through-and-through.

When the Greek people tried to take over parliament a year ago, KKE cadre obediently stood side-by-side with riot police to thwart attempts to storm parliament, while inside government MP's calmly debated and ultimately passed harsh austerity measures.

Lenin would have called the KKE a "rearguard party," in that instead of being at the vanguard in the struggle to end austerity and kick out the rotten regime, the KKE tails behind the masses(represented by their extreme loss of votes in last month's election); In a pathetic attempt to save face, the KKE claims that electoral politics mean nothing and that they will instead join with the masses in the streets to fight austerity. It's all empty rhetoric if you ask me.

the Coalition of the Radical Left(Syriza), despite being made up of a mixture of both reformist and radical leftist parties, would be considered a true "vanguard party" by Lenin, winning over 20% of the vote in last month's elections and afterwards maneuvering itself into the opposition camp in parliament.

In effect, Syriza literally finds itself occupying the same position as Russia's Bolshevik Party(also known as the Russian Social Democratic Labor Party before suffering a party split with the Menshevik, or "minority" party faction) prior to the overthrow of the old regime; The Bolshevik Party wound up by 1917 struggling inside and outside of the Russian duma, while also propagandizing, agitating, etc. amongst the lower-classes of St. Petersburg from within the revolutionary soviets, or councils.

In essence, a revolution is brewing in Greece.



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18 Jul 2012, 8:24 am

Master_Pedant wrote:
The Great Depression gave Europe Hitler. The Lesser Depression, it only seems reasonable, would result in a lesser but still substantial rise in far-right thugs.


I was wondering how long this thread would go on before somebody mentioned Hitler.

For god's sake it's nearly 70 years since the war but the "far" right are still tarred with his image by left wing nutters. There are one million out of work immigrants in the UK and anybody who complains is branded a "racist nazi" by left wing idiots.
The left won't be happy until we're all praying at the mosque five times a day.



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18 Jul 2012, 8:40 am

piroflip wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
The Great Depression gave Europe Hitler. The Lesser Depression, it only seems reasonable, would result in a lesser but still substantial rise in far-right thugs.


I was wondering how long this thread would go on before somebody mentioned Hitler.

For god's sake it's nearly 70 years since the war but the "far" right are still tarred with his image by left wing nutters. There are one million out of work immigrants in the UK and anybody who complains is branded a "racist nazi" by left wing idiots.
The left won't be happy until we're all praying at the mosque five times a day.


It has been 90 years since the formation of the USSR in 1922, and some on the far-left still champion the achievements of the first "workers' state." The reality is that the workers and peasants had no real power, despite the Soviet constitution of 1918 declaring that political power rested in their hands through the soviets. The reality was that the Bolshevik Party stood at the helm, directing everything from the national economy to foreign relations. The soviets themselves went from revolutionary organs of grassroots-democracy, into loyal talk-shops for the Bolsheviks.

Likewise, modern-day fascists and Nazis(two different things, by the way) champion the creation of the world's first fascist republic in Italy, despite glaring defects in the concept of the "third way" between capitalism and socialism.

Analogy, much? :wink:



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18 Jul 2012, 9:04 am

piroflip wrote:
I was wondering how long this thread would go on before somebody mentioned Hitler.


Exactly. These can't be compared. It's a shame people feel like they have to turn to that. What can be said with certainty is that migrants from certain parts of the world are usually not an economic asset, are extremely likely to be involved in crime, are very likely to inbreed and suffer from resulting mental retardation and schizophrenia, are very likely to be unemployed and poorly-educated, and have cultural ideas that vary greatly from what almost anyone in Europe believes. Incidentally, these all apply to all large islamic minorities here.

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For god's sake it's nearly 70 years since the war but the "far" right are still tarred with his image by left wing nutters. There are one million out of work immigrants in the UK and anybody who complains is branded a "racist nazi" by left wing idiots.
The left won't be happy until we're all praying at the mosque five times a day.


Unfortunately, that's true. It was even worse a few years ago. When someone said we should close our borders to poorly-educated immigrants, someone else immediately jumped onto the matter and asked him if his next step was to deport them, or that we shouldn't bother and should just start gassing them. These are the false choice situations we're offered, where educating them, punishing them severely for the rather extreme types of crime they're involved in, and refusing to allow 160,000 of them a year into a country with rising unemployment and unrest is considered genocide.

In fact, the only person calling for genocide I've heard in the past few months was a Moroccan saying we should exterminate the Jews and that he'd stab any Jew he saw.



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18 Jul 2012, 10:35 am

I,m from Pennsylvania, would you like Rick Santorum ? We're trying to get rid of him.



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18 Jul 2012, 2:36 pm

Jacoby wrote:
Pyrite wrote:
HisDivineMajesty wrote:
And you know the situation is bad when almost 7% of Greek voters still support them after that incident.
Plus, actively sporting nazi-like symbols. And some other incidents involvings threats and war rhetoric.


Really? War with who? 8O


I think they want to retake all of Cyprus and attack Macedonia or something like that. They're really are neo-Nazis, it's pretty scary the depths the Greek people when they feel they have no other options.


There has been bitter conflict between people of Greek and Turkish descent in Cyprus, yet why do they want to invade Macedonia??

piroflip wrote:
The left won't be happy until we're all praying at the mosque five times a day.


Maybe this is true for some left wing politicians (and a lot of conservative politicians as well), but it is not merely the far right voters who are concerned about the combination of islamic immigration and economic ruin. It is wrong to favor people who often want to change our society and only arrived yesterday, when plenty of European taxpayers are struggling.



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18 Jul 2012, 2:40 pm

Oldout wrote:
I,m from Pennsylvania, would you like Rick Santorum ? We're trying to get rid of him.


Sorry. But I don't think ANYONE wants him.