If God really exists, why are there wheelchairs?

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Jitro
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21 Aug 2012, 2:22 pm

If God really exists, why are there wheelchairs? Is God just so evil that he makes people suffer like that?



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21 Aug 2012, 2:26 pm

Not everyone in a wheelchair is in pain or "suffers" from the same thing. Many that rely on wheelchairs are these days capable of living full lives with or without God's help. :)



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21 Aug 2012, 2:35 pm

To help those who can't walk.



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21 Aug 2012, 2:58 pm

A variation on the old "why do bad things happen to good people?" question.

I guess youll just have to read the bestseller of that title to find out.



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21 Aug 2012, 3:02 pm

Wheelchairs are just another scientific quackery, all one needs is faith, prayer and proper donations to your church and you will walk again. Unfortunately this fact has been suppressed but in regards to wheel chairs I strongly suggest teaching the controversy


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21 Aug 2012, 4:02 pm

JanuaryMan wrote:
Not everyone in a wheelchair is in pain or "suffers" from the same thing. Many that rely on wheelchairs are these days capable of living full lives with or without God's help. :)


Another way of asking the question, if God exists how come our bodies can't grow wheels, organically, if we lose our legs or the use of?



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21 Aug 2012, 4:03 pm

Vigilans wrote:
Wheelchairs are just another scientific quackery, all one needs is faith, prayer and proper donations to your church and you will walk again. Unfortunately this fact has been suppressed but in regards to wheel chairs I strongly suggest teaching the controversy


Oh goodness. Please tell me you're trolling.



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21 Aug 2012, 5:03 pm

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.

Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.

Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?

Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him "god"?


The answer is so simple...


Do you prefer to not know that we only have yourselves?
Do you prefer to delude yourself that "God" is somewhere for people?
Do you prefer the illusion that "he" exist, but "he" just asleep?


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21 Aug 2012, 5:14 pm

thomas81 wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
Wheelchairs are just another scientific quackery, all one needs is faith, prayer and proper donations to your church and you will walk again. Unfortunately this fact has been suppressed but in regards to wheel chairs I strongly suggest teaching the controversy


Oh goodness. Please tell me you're trolling.


Knowing Vigilans from his posts, I can guarantee you that he was being facetious to make a point.

Faith healers have sometimes appeared to make people get out of their wheelchairs and walk a few steps for the crowd. These have usually been found to be temporary or hoaxes. I have yet to hear of a faith healer making a missing limb grow back.

GreenShadow's post goes right to the essence of the question. Who wrote that quotation? I can't remember.


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21 Aug 2012, 5:28 pm

It was Epicurus

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21 Aug 2012, 5:37 pm

GreenShadow wrote:
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.

Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.

Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?

Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him "god"?


The answer is so simple...


Do you prefer to not know that we only have yourselves?
Do you prefer to delude yourself that "God" is somewhere for people?
Do you prefer the illusion that "he" exist, but "he" just asleep?


I think this is one of the problems of Nü-atheism in requiring an orthodox theology to reject.
This "logic" rolls right off the backs of socians, gnostics, believers in En Soph , mormons, any kind of polytheist or pagan, and all dualists.

I think I better question is literary does this God character in the Bible really exist.
My money is on prolly not. The question puts the man up stairs in the same category as the Yeti not
technically impossible but unlikely and if a person has seen one of them then they are crazy or they know.
Either way it is not worth arguing.


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21 Aug 2012, 7:21 pm

Jitro wrote:
If God really exists, why are there wheelchairs? Is God just so evil that he makes people suffer like that?


It's possible you're not really looking for an answer or meant the question rhetorically, given that most people on the forum are atheists. Being an aspie, I'm going to just assume that you are looking for an answer to the question. :)

There are two components to your question. The first is the popular objection "If God exists, why is there suffering in the world?" Several philosophers have considered this question, including C.S. Lewis in his book The Problem of Pain. Here is a quote: "Try to exclude the possibility of suffering which the order of nature and the existence of free-wills involve, and you find that you have excluded life itself."

In Christian philosophy, at least, the existence of suffering is just a part of life, or it coincides with the fact that God allows free will. Others may be able to chime in on how, for example, Islam answers the question.

The second question, "Is God evil?" shows that you have in mind a concept of a good God, or at least the concept of good. The question you should ask yourself, then, is where these ideas of good and evil originate.

Finally, why are there wheelchairs?

Most physically disabled people today have access to wheelchairs because they are cheaply mass-produced, thanks to free market capitalism. Free Market capitalism was made possible by Calvinists (during the Protestant Reformation/Enlightenment) and earlier by Catholic professors during the Medieval period. Universities in the West were made possible by Christianity, which was made possible by Jewish people, who survived and retained their identity by being the only people in the ancient world who believed in one God.

That may be a long answer, but hey, you asked! :wink: Others will provide you with the atheist point of view shortly, and it may be more to your liking.



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21 Aug 2012, 7:27 pm

Yes.



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21 Aug 2012, 7:41 pm

Jitro wrote:
If God really exists, why are there wheelchairs? Is God just so evil that he makes people suffer like that?

Read Job. God wants to give people free will. Unless you would be willing to give up the ability to do what you want and be programmed to be a mainstream evangelical Christian (ie. Billy Graham, NOT Fred Phelps/WBC), forfeit the ability to live a lifestyle incompatible with the Bible, and let God dominate EVERYTHING in life, I suggest you re-examine how much you are willing to accept bad things happening.


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21 Aug 2012, 8:14 pm

He's trying to help the wheelchair makers. The sickly bury their talents in a hole. But the wheelchair makers put their talents to use making, uh, wheelchairs. And then they sell the wheelchairs to the lame, making more talents.

When they store up enough talents, supply side Jesus will return and give everyone a time share in Bermuda.



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21 Aug 2012, 9:26 pm

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