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Jitro
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25 Aug 2012, 8:28 pm

Was your great several times grandfather an ape?

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25 Aug 2012, 8:51 pm

Ya

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25 Aug 2012, 9:02 pm

Technically, we still are

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominidae

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The Hominidae (anglicized hominids, also known as great apes), form a taxonomic family of primates, including four extant genera: chimpanzees (Pan), gorillas (Gorilla), humans (Homo), and orangutans (Pongo).

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25 Aug 2012, 9:32 pm

Strickly speaking you and I are apes ourselves.

So will be any descendants we have.

So obviously our ancestors were apes too.

So obviously the answer is 'yes'.

So. why do you ask this silly question?

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25 Aug 2012, 9:48 pm

naturalplastic wrote:

Strickly speaking you and I are apes ourselves.

So will be any descendants we have.

So obviously our ancestors were apes too.

So obviously the answer is 'yes'.

So. why do you ask this silly question?

No "ape" by definition does not include humans. Scientists may sometimes use the word to include such, but in normal language the word is not used that way. Thus chimpanzees and gorillas are apes by the normal definition of ape, but humans are not. Humans are hominoids however, which includes apes and humans.

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25 Aug 2012, 11:02 pm

Jitro wrote:

naturalplastic wrote:

Strickly speaking you and I are apes ourselves.

So will be any descendants we have.

So obviously our ancestors were apes too.

So obviously the answer is 'yes'.

So. why do you ask this silly question?

No "ape" by definition does not include humans. Scientists may sometimes use the word to include such, but in normal language the word is not used that way. Thus chimpanzees and gorillas are apes by the normal definition of ape, but humans are not. Humans are hominoids however, which includes apes and humans.

Well..ok lets go with that... use the word "ape" in the colloquial nonscientifc sense of a "tailless humanlike primate that isnt human".

Then yes at some point "the last animal before man" (as Robert Ardrey put it) the Australopithicines gave rise the first humans (homo hablis).

That was about 3 million years ago. So 200 thousand generations ago you and I had "ape" ancestors. Though these apes werent quite like any living apes today.

So again, why do you ask this silly question?

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25 Aug 2012, 11:15 pm

Si.

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26 Aug 2012, 12:11 am

Egad! Another skeleton in the family closet.

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26 Aug 2012, 3:52 am

Never met him.

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26 Aug 2012, 5:58 am

You'd have to add quite a few greats to that grand. But yes, my ancestry includes creatures you'd likely classify as apes were they alive today. As does yours. What's your point?

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26 Aug 2012, 10:02 am

We don't talk about Grandpa Zaius

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26 Aug 2012, 10:12 am

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFc3DDTPXXo[/youtube]

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26 Aug 2012, 11:46 am

It's the most convincing idea I've heard thus far.

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26 Aug 2012, 12:38 pm

no. But I and the apes had a common ancestor.

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26 Aug 2012, 1:00 pm

If you call Australopitecus "an ape"

yes, my gran-gran-who knows how may-grand-ancestor was an "ape"

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26 Aug 2012, 3:36 pm

Nope.

Kind reproduces according to kind. For evolution to be true, somewhere along the line something non-human gave birth to something human. At some point, something non-living had to become living. Since inanimate objects cannot "will" themselves to life, life had to have been created.

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