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26 Aug 2012, 7:08 pm

I've watched this series of videos on Youtube called "The foundational Falsehoods of creationism" by a user called Aronra. It's a series similar to Thunderf00t's "Why do people laugh at creationism?" except that he refutes 15 foundational falsehoods spread over 17 videos.

Since I don't know how to embed whole playlists and I don't want to post all 17 videos, here are the first 3. Each entitled with the first 3 foundational falsehoods of creationism, respectively as "evolution = atheism", "scriptures are the 'word of God'" and "human interpretation = absolute truth":

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnJX68ELbAY&list=PL126AFB53A6F002CC&feature=plpp_play_all[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFrkjEgUDZA&feature=bf_next&list=PL126AFB53A6F002CC[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnj7PlqmJ5o&feature=bf_next&list=PL126AFB53A6F002CC[/youtube]

The remaining 12 falsehoods are respectively named:

"Belief = Knowledge"

"Evolution is a religious 'ism'"

"Evolution must explain the origin of life, the universe and everything"

"Evolution is random"

"Mutations are rare and always harmful decreases in genetic information"

"No transitional species has ever been found"

“The evolutionary ‘tree of life’ is nowhere implied either in the fossil record, nor in biology.”

“Macroevolution has never been observed.”

“Evolution is a fraud!”

“Creation is evident”

"evolution is 'just a theory'"

The last two falsehoods are split over two videos each. If you're interested, the whole playlist is in the link below and is just under 3 hours. Let me know what you think:

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL126AFB53A6F002CC&feature=plcp



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27 Aug 2012, 2:14 am

Of course macro-evolution has been observed. It's been observed within the fossil record specifically in regard to human evolution.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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27 Aug 2012, 2:25 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Of course macro-evolution has been observed. It's been observed within the fossil record specifically in regard to human evolution.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Yes, all of those statements are false and are usually spouted by creationists. That's why they are called falsehoods and the video series is about refuting them. Have you watched them yet? I gave the link to the playlist and it's quite good.



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27 Aug 2012, 2:39 am

Jono wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Of course macro-evolution has been observed. It's been observed within the fossil record specifically in regard to human evolution.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Yes, all of those statements are false and are usually spouted by creationists. That's why they are called falsehoods and the video series is about refuting them. Have you watched them yet? I gave the link to the playlist and it's quite good.


I will try, but it's after 12:30 in the morning here.

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27 Aug 2012, 2:56 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Jono wrote:
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Of course macro-evolution has been observed. It's been observed within the fossil record specifically in regard to human evolution.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Yes, all of those statements are false and are usually spouted by creationists. That's why they are called falsehoods and the video series is about refuting them. Have you watched them yet? I gave the link to the playlist and it's quite good.


I will try, but it's after 12:30 in the morning here.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


No problem. Sorry, I didn't realize what time it was there. The entire playlist is 3 hours long unfortunately, so I guess I'll check this thread later then.



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27 Aug 2012, 3:01 am

This is the most kickass AronRA produced video.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igq_niFmXNs[/youtube]

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt145619.html

Btw, damn, time flies, it feels like yesterday that I made this one and a half year old thread.


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27 Aug 2012, 1:33 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
This is the most kickass AronRA produced video.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igq_niFmXNs[/youtube]

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt145619.html

Btw, damn, time flies, it feels like yesterday that I made this one and a half year old thread.


I agree, that is a good video. He makes a lot of sense. AronRa also posted an updated version of that video which includes corrections:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4A-dMqEbSk8&feature=plcp[/youtube]



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27 Aug 2012, 1:37 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Of course macro-evolution has been observed. It's been observed within the fossil record specifically in regard to human evolution.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


There is evolution. The difference between micro evolution and macro evolution is whether humans were able to observe it happening in real time or not. Most evolution is far too slow to be observed by humans so we must infer it from traces found in the environment.

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27 Aug 2012, 2:51 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Of course macro-evolution has been observed. It's been observed within the fossil record specifically in regard to human evolution.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


There is evolution. The difference between micro evolution and macro evolution is whether humans were able to observe it happening in real time or not. Most evolution is far too slow to be observed by humans so we must infer it from traces found in the environment.

ruveyn


Agreed. That's why I brought up the fossil record, where it can be observed with human evolution.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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27 Aug 2012, 3:16 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQXnS9narng[/youtube][youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsluJxkQ9fw[/youtube]


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27 Aug 2012, 3:22 pm

AspieOtaku wrote:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQXnS9narng[/youtube][youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsluJxkQ9fw[/youtube]


Regarding the first video - yes, indeed, the interviewer is simple.

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27 Aug 2012, 3:45 pm

Yes indeed he is and for the record anf good laughs [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoNqSrA7Mos&feature=related[/youtube]


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28 Aug 2012, 4:26 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Of course macro-evolution has been observed. It's been observed within the fossil record specifically in regard to human evolution.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


There is evolution. The difference between micro evolution and macro evolution is whether humans were able to observe it happening in real time or not. Most evolution is far too slow to be observed by humans so we must infer it from traces found in the environment.

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Agreed. That's why I brought up the fossil record, where it can be observed with human evolution.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Also, if macroevolution is defined as speciation, as it is by evolutionary biologists, then the fact is that it has been observed.



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28 Aug 2012, 4:34 pm

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Also, if macroevolution is defined as speciation, as it is by evolutionary biologists, then the fact is that it has been observed.


But the underlying process, natural selection, is generally not observed when it happens. It is inferred from the results.

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28 Aug 2012, 4:39 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Jono wrote:

Also, if macroevolution is defined as speciation, as it is by evolutionary biologists, then the fact is that it has been observed.


But the underlying process, natural selection, is generally not observed when it happens. It is inferred from the results.

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Yes generally, because its mostly an extremely slow process in multicellular organisms but it has been observed in some microorganisms such as bacteria.