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27 Aug 2012, 9:01 am

Politics is the flesh rotting disease of our society. It is like leprosy. It is Unclean.

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27 Aug 2012, 9:03 am

There are many worse things, and politics are necessary, otherwise it would be a free-for-all.



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27 Aug 2012, 9:04 am

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There are many worse things, and politics are necessary, otherwise it would be a free-for-all.


It is already a free for all for those who have sufficient money.

Politics is unclean because we get the best government money can buy.

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27 Aug 2012, 9:05 am

ruveyn wrote:
zxy8 wrote:
There are many worse things, and politics are necessary, otherwise it would be a free-for-all.


It is already a free for all for those who have sufficient money.

Politics is unclean because we get the best government money can buy.

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Without politics, crime would run riot, and no one would be safe.



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27 Aug 2012, 9:30 am

zxy8 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
zxy8 wrote:
There are many worse things, and politics are necessary, otherwise it would be a free-for-all.


It is already a free for all for those who have sufficient money.

Politics is unclean because we get the best government money can buy.

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Without politics, crime would run riot, and no one would be safe.


Let us have as little government as we can then, consistent with peace and order.

The last thing we need is politicians telling us how to manage the details of our private lives. Politicians have exactly one talent. They can win elections. Other than that they are congenital incompetents.

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27 Aug 2012, 9:32 am

ruveyn wrote:
zxy8 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
zxy8 wrote:
There are many worse things, and politics are necessary, otherwise it would be a free-for-all.


It is already a free for all for those who have sufficient money.

Politics is unclean because we get the best government money can buy.

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Without politics, crime would run riot, and no one would be safe.


Let us have as little government as we can then, consistent with peace and order.

The last thing we need is politicians telling us how to manage the details of our private lives. Politicians have exactly one talent. They can win elections. Other than that they are congenital incompetents.

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Big governments are good. Peace and order never work though, unfortunately.

They don't tell you that. They don't just have one talent, that is a lie.



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27 Aug 2012, 9:58 am

Please educate yourself on Hansen's Disease before comparing it to something bad like politics. I recommend Dr. Paul Brand's book "The Gift of Pain", one of the best books I've ever read.



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27 Aug 2012, 10:00 am

What do you mean by 'politics'?

From what's been said, I take it you're thinking of party politics and various ideologies as to how to run the state and shape society? In which case I have some sympathy, but because in my view the state is evermore another arm of business and finance, where it should represent the interests of the people.

Politics in general is inevitable. It is ethics writ large.



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27 Aug 2012, 10:02 am

Remember what Lord Acton said, "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." Politcians start out with noble intentions but the power they gain corrupts them. Perhaps if we replaced more often, like underwear, they might might not stink as much.



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27 Aug 2012, 10:10 am

Hopper wrote:
What do you mean by 'politics'?

From what's been said, I take it you're thinking of party politics and various ideologies as to how to run the state and shape society? In which case I have some sympathy, but because in my view the state is evermore another arm of business and finance, where it should represent the interests of the people.

Politics in general is inevitable. It is ethics writ large.


Or the avoidance ethics writ large.

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27 Aug 2012, 10:17 am

Trencher93 wrote:
Please educate yourself on Hansen's Disease before comparing it to something bad like politics. I recommend Dr. Paul Brand's book "The Gift of Pain", one of the best books I've ever read.


Politics as a whole can be worse than any single disease, because politicians can make it so that people with a disease or health condition do not get any treatment, or do not get the particular treatment they need, or do not get consideration and so they suffer without help.

They can also make it so that conditions can exist to cause diseases (for example, if politicians were to suppress the dangers of asbestos, it could cause people to get asbestosis).



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27 Aug 2012, 10:26 am

Trencher93 wrote:
Please educate yourself on Hansen's Disease before comparing it to something bad like politics. I recommend Dr. Paul Brand's book "The Gift of Pain", one of the best books I've ever read.


I am using Leprosy in the older biblical sense --- Unclean! Unclean! Corrupt and rotting.

Hansen's disease is a treatable disease with no moral aspects. Leprosy in the Biblical Sense was a kind of curse.

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27 Aug 2012, 10:29 am

ruveyn wrote:
Hopper wrote:
What do you mean by 'politics'?

From what's been said, I take it you're thinking of party politics and various ideologies as to how to run the state and shape society? In which case I have some sympathy, but because in my view the state is evermore another arm of business and finance, where it should represent the interests of the people.

Politics in general is inevitable. It is ethics writ large.


Or the avoidance ethics writ large.

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Not really, no. Where there's more than one person, there will be power structures and the possibility of clashing (perhaps violently so) ethics. So politics is the attempt to deal with that. The politics of anti-politics is still politics.



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27 Aug 2012, 10:37 am

Trencher93 wrote:
Please educate yourself on Hansen's Disease before comparing it to something bad like politics. I recommend Dr. Paul Brand's book "The Gift of Pain", one of the best books I've ever read.


Oh wait, I might have misunderstood what you meant in my other reply to this post of yours. If so, sorry.



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27 Aug 2012, 12:59 pm

The problem is not politics, itself.

Politics as they are practiced in the United States are certainly unhealthy, but that is not the fault of the patient, it is the toxic effect of money that poisons politics.

You had your opportunity to detoxify your political system, and it was thrown away with both hands. Your body politic is now so polarized and ill-informed that the small minority who actual care to understand the issues and make intelligent choices in the polling station are simply too few to make a difference in all but a handful of races.

Until the electorate stands up and demands better, politicians will follow the formula that has led to success in the past. Throwing money at advertising to demonize your opponents is a tried and true method of success, and as long as you continue to reward that method on polling day, you are simply enablers of politicians' corrupt behaviour.


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27 Aug 2012, 1:07 pm

visagrunt wrote:
The problem is not politics, itself.

Politics as they are practiced in the United States are certainly unhealthy, but that is not the fault of the patient, it is the toxic effect of money that poisons politics.

You had your opportunity to detoxify your political system, and it was thrown away with both hands. Your body politic is now so polarized and ill-informed that the small minority who actual care to understand the issues and make intelligent choices in the polling station are simply too few to make a difference in all but a handful of races.

Until the electorate stands up and demands better, politicians will follow the formula that has led to success in the past. Throwing money at advertising to demonize your opponents is a tried and true method of success, and as long as you continue to reward that method on polling day, you are simply enablers of politicians' corrupt behaviour.


What the American electorate wants is t.v., some social security along with various kinds of bread and circuses. And we will pay for our stupidity, of that there is no doubt.

The current political scene in the U.S. has brought me close to physical illness --- upchucking. I literally cannot bear to watch or listen to the current crew of clowns.

What the U.S. needs is a crew of technocrats who governmen with a very light touch. Unfortunately putting such a government in place will soon lead to excess and a form of tyranny.

Ben Franklin once told a woman who asked what the Constitutional Convention had produced: He replied -- A Republic if you can keep it. Well, we failed the test.

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