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26 Sep 2012, 5:19 pm

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"The right to have children should be a marketable commodity, bought and traded by individuals but absolutely limited by the state."

—Kenneth Boulding, originator of the “Spaceship Earth”
concept (as quoted by William Tucker in Progress and Privilege, 1982)

"We have wished, we ecofreaks, for a disaster or for a social change to come and bomb us into Stone Age, where we might live like Indians in our valley, with our localism, our appropriate technology, our gardens, our homemade religion—guilt-free at last!"

—Stewart Brand (writing in the Whole Earth Catalogue).

"Free Enterprise really means rich people get richer. They have the freedom to exploit and psychologically rape their fellow human beings in the process…. Capitalism is destroying the earth."

—Helen Caldicott, Union of Concerned Scientists

"We must make this an insecure and inhospitable place for capitalists and their projects…. We must reclaim the roads and plowed land, halt dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers and return to wilderness millions of tens of millions of acres of presently settled land."

—David Foreman, Earth First!

"Everything we have developed over the last 100 years should be destroyed."

—Pentti Linkola

"If you ask me, it’d be a little short of disastrous for us to discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy because of what we would do with it. We ought to be looking for energy sources that are adequate for our needs, but that won’t give us the excesses of concentrated energy with which we could do mischief to the earth or to each other."

—Amory Lovins in The Mother Earth–Plowboy Interview, Nov/Dec 1977, p.22

"The only real good technology is no technology at all. Technology is taxation without representation, imposed by our elitist species (man) upon the rest of the natural world."

—John Shuttleworth

"What we’ve got to do in energy conservation is try to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, to have approached global warming as if it is real means energy conservation, so we will be doing the right thing anyway in terms of economic policy and environmental policy."

—Timothy Wirth, former U.S. Senator (D-Colorado)

"I suspect that eradicating smallpox was wrong. It played an important part in balancing ecosystems."

—John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal

"Human beings, as a species, have no more value than slugs."

—John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal

"The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a good thing….This is not to say that the rise of human civilization is insignificant, but there is no way of showing that it will be much help to the world in the long run."

—Economist editorial

"We advocate biodiversity for biodiversity’s sake. It may take our extinction to set things straight."

—David Foreman, Earth First!

"Phasing out the human race will solve every problem on earth, social and environmental."

—Dave Forman, Founder of Earth First!

"If radical environmentalists were to invent a disease to bring human populations back to sanity, it would probably be something like AIDS."

—Earth First! Newsletter

"Human happiness, and certainly human fecundity, is not as important as a wild and healthy planets…Some of us can only hope for the right virus to come along."

—David Graber, biologist, National Park Service

"The collective needs of non-human species must take precedence over the needs and desires of humans."

—Dr. Reed F. Noss, The Wildlands Project

"If I were reincarnated, I would wish to be returned to Earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels."

—Prince Phillip, World Wildlife Fund

"Cannibalism is a “radical but realistic solution to the problem of overpopulation.”

—Lyall Watson, The Financial Times, 15 July 1995

Poverty For “Those People”

"We, in the green movement, aspire to a cultural model in which killing a forest will be considered more contemptible and more criminal than the sale of 6-year-old children to Asian brothels".

—Carl Amery

"Every time you turn on an electric light, you are making another brainless baby."

—Helen Caldicott, Union of Concerned Scientists

"To feed a starving child is to exacerbate the world population problem".

—Lamont Cole

"If there is going to be electricity, I would like it to be decentralized, small, solar-powered."

—Gar Smith, editor of the Earth Island Institute’s online magazine The Edge

"The only hope for the world is to make sure there is not another United States: We can’t let other countries have the same number of cars, the amount of industrialization, we have in the U.S. We have to stop these Third World countries right where they are. And it is important to the rest of the world to make sure that they don’t suffer economically by virtue of our stopping them."

—Michael Oppenheimer, Environmental Defense Fund

"The continued rapid cooling of the earth since WWII is in accord with the increase in global air pollution associated with industrialization, mechanization, urbanization and exploding population."

—Reid Bryson, “Global Ecology; Readings towards a rational strategy for Man”, (1971)

"The battle to feed humanity is over. In the 1970s, the world will undergo famines. Hundreds of millions of people are going to starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now. Population control is the only answer."

—Paul Ehrlich, in The Population Bomb (1968)

"I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000."

—Paul Ehrlich in 1969

"In ten years all important animal life in the sea will be extinct. Large areas of coastline will have to be evacuated because of the stench of dead fish."

—Paul Ehrlich, Earth Day (1970)

"Before 1985, mankind will enter a genuine age of scarcity…in which the accessible supplies of many key minerals will be facing depletion."

—Paul Ehrlich in (1976)

"This [cooling] trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century."

—Peter Gwynne, Newsweek 1976

"There are ominous signs that the earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production—with serious political implications for just about every nation on earth. The drop in food production could begin quite soon… The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologist are hard-pressed to keep up with it."

—Newsweek, April 28, (1975)

"This cooling has already killed hundreds of thousands of people. If it continues and no strong action is taken, it will cause world famine, world chaos and world war, and this could all come about before the year 2000."

—Lowell Ponte in “The Cooling”, 1976

"If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder by the year 2000. … This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age."

—Kenneth E.F. Watt on air pollution and global cooling, Earth Day (1970)


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26 Sep 2012, 5:58 pm

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"If there is going to be electricity, I would like it to be decentralized, small, solar-powered."

—Gar Smith, editor of the Earth Island Institute’s online magazine The Edge

Oh my hypothetical-God! Solar power?! That is so horribly frightening!

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"Human beings, as a species, have no more value than slugs."

—John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal

You will have to explain me how this is either frightening or untrue. Why have humans more value than slugs?

Even though there are statements that have failed to happen or with which I disagree, there is nothing truly "frightening" there. I have seen many people try to make greens look like dangerous terrorist by use of a biased selection of quotes arranged in a misleading way. You, sir, have failed.



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26 Sep 2012, 6:22 pm

this sounds like the ramblings of the Primitivist movement or the Unabomber.

I don't think its fair to tar all environmentalists or the entire green movement as science hating, tree hugging smelly hippies.

Technological, scientific, and industrial progress is possible but if the cost cutting practices of the neo liberals and 'the suits' are curtailed it can also be sustainable.

Think underground maglev bullet trains in lieu of motorways and airships in lieu of jet airliners.



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26 Sep 2012, 6:26 pm

enrico_dandolo wrote:
Quote:
"If there is going to be electricity, I would like it to be decentralized, small, solar-powered."

—Gar Smith, editor of the Earth Island Institute’s online magazine The Edge

Oh my hypothetical-God! Solar power?! That is so horribly frightening!

Quote:
"Human beings, as a species, have no more value than slugs."

—John Davis, editor of Earth First! Journal

You will have to explain me how this is either frightening or untrue. Why have humans more value than slugs?

Even though there are statements that have failed to happen or with which I disagree, there is nothing truly "frightening" there. I have seen many people try to make greens look like dangerous terrorist by use of a biased selection of quotes arranged in a misleading way. You, sir, have failed.


First off, it's "ma'am", and I personally don't find Solar Power scary, I actually think it'd be quite neat. However, what the person who said that seems to be suggesting, at least from my understanding, is that it should only be limited to small groups of people. Do you, in all honesty, have any idea what the effects of that would be?

Secondly, I fail to see how there is nothing frightening about someone stating outright that, according to him/her, we are, in essence, worthless. We have more value than slugs for many reasons, one of them being that we can think for ourselves and are capable of many more things than a slug, or really any other animal, is capable of. Could an ant have written the Bible or any other book? Could a hawk have invented the telephone? What are the chances of a fish having written the Declaration of Independence or U.S Constitution? Did a lemur begin the Abolitionist Movement or the Feminist Movement, or was that the work of *gasp* humans? It was essentially the "humans are worthless" philosophy, or at least a branch of it, that led to the atrocity that was the Holocaust. Twelve million people died because of that s**t! Some were burned alive in ovens, not to mention purposefully gassed and experimented on, for the love of Paul!

Finally, I never said Environmentalists were terrorists, I was simply showing why I did not support the movement and in fact abhor it. Maybe you should read a few more of the quotes I bolded in the initial post, it is enough to make anyone with even the smallest amount of human decency close to nauseous.


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26 Sep 2012, 6:44 pm

This is actually old news for me, I'm just glad there are some people here FINALLY waking up.



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26 Sep 2012, 6:50 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
This is actually old news for me, I'm just glad there are some people here FINALLY waking up.


This attitude that humans are a disease to be wiped out, is not something that is unique to environmentalists, extreme or otherwise.

I've seen this sort of thing come from right wing metaphysicists with fascist tendencies. Very dangerous and unhinged people.

There was one, I cannot remember his name but used the analogy of being in a lifeboat being swamped by drowning people to compare the current social climate-" For your own preservation, take an axe and sever their arms before they capsize the boat"



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26 Sep 2012, 6:55 pm

There are a lot of people who adhere to the environmental movement with the faith of religionists; they don't represent the science or reality of environmental thinking.

I was walking out in the woods once, shortly after moving to Humboldt County, California, when I passed a group of people going the other direction.
'What type of trees are these?' asked one man.
'They're redwoods. They're all redwoods. This is a redwood forest,' responded another young man, in a tone of self-righteous zeal.
In fact, the trees around us were a mixture of spruce, douglas-fir, and redwoods; the young man didn't know what he was talking about, but had some sort of pre-conceived, religious notion about the environment of NorCal.

That doesn't mean that redwoods aren't amazing, or that the logging wasn't sustainable, or that the environmental movement didn't do any good - just that 'faith' doesn't help in this area, any more than it helps in any other area.



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26 Sep 2012, 6:59 pm

The fringe of the environmental movement are right at home amongst the likes of Pol Pot. I suspect most are attracted to the movement just as justification for their sociopathic views.

The sane ones need to distance themselves from these weirdos if they ever want to the taken seriously but I fear the degree of separation between the two's views are much closer than they care to admit.



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26 Sep 2012, 8:45 pm

They hates us, Precioussssssssss.

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26 Sep 2012, 8:47 pm

thomas81 wrote:
this sounds like the ramblings of the Primitivist movement or the Unabomber.


It is the dark underbelly of the environmentalist mindset. Scratch an environmentalist and you will find someone who hates the human race and wants it gone.

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26 Sep 2012, 9:24 pm

LiberalJustice wrote:
First off, it's "ma'am"

Sorry.

LiberalJustice wrote:
I personally don't find Solar Power scary, I actually think it'd be quite neat. However, what the person who said that seems to be suggesting, at least from my understanding, is that it should only be limited to small groups of people. Do you, in all honesty, have any idea what the effects of that would be?

That is not my understanding. I read it more as "every small community should have its own source of solar power".

LiberalJustice wrote:
Secondly, I fail to see how there is nothing frightening about someone stating outright that, according to him/her, we are, in essence, worthless. We have more value than slugs for many reasons, one of them being that we can think for ourselves and are capable of many more things than a slug, or really any other animal, is capable of. Could an ant have written the Bible or any other book? Could a hawk have invented the telephone? What are the chances of a fish having written the Declaration of Independence or U.S Constitution? Did a lemur begin the Abolitionist Movement or the Feminist Movement, or was that the work of *gasp* humans?

Why are a) thinking b) writing books, religious or otherwise c) creating the telephone d) writing political manifestos and e) starting progressist political movements signs of superiority?

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It was essentially the "humans are worthless" philosophy, or at least a branch of it, that led to the atrocity that was the Holocaust. Twelve million people died because of that sh**! Some were burned alive in ovens, not to mention purposefully gassed and experimented on, for the love of Paul!

You just ended the thread after two replies. gg

Technically, the Jews and other victims of extermination camps were killed by gas, and then cremated.

LiberalJustice wrote:
Finally, I never said Environmentalists were terrorists, I was simply showing why I did not support the movement and in fact abhor it. Maybe you should read a few more of the quotes I bolded in the initial post, it is enough to make anyone with even the smallest amount of human decency close to nauseous.

I read all the quotes, and already commented on them as a whole in my previoys post. The bit about "biased selection of quotes arranged in a misleading way", specifically.

Jacoby wrote:
The fringe of the environmental movement are right at home amongst the likes of Pol Pot. I suspect most are attracted to the movement just as justification for their sociopathic views.

The same can be said of just about any movement.



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26 Sep 2012, 9:44 pm

This isn't news. I really can't blame the primitivists and UNABOMBER types though, after all the oil peak will be a nasty event if you take the extreme view that a die-off will happen from such, might as well kill people in a less nasty and brutal manner (as opposed to, mass starvation and dying of disease....). :lol:

Of course, humans COULD work on space exploration as well as more emphasis on post-oil technology......we'll see what happens in the future. :?:


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26 Sep 2012, 10:25 pm

LiberalJustice wrote:
"If there is going to be electricity, I would like it to be decentralized, small, solar-powered."



First off, it's "ma'am", and I personally don't find Solar Power scary, I actually think it'd be quite neat. However, what the person who said that seems to be suggesting, at least from my understanding, is that it should only be limited to small groups of people. Do you, in all honesty, have any idea what the effects of that would be?



There's nothing about that statement that indicates that it should be limited to a small amount of people. If anything, decentralization means that more people will have access to it, and control of it will be in the hands of the many, as opposed to the few. If everyone has responsibility over their own solar panels, then that means that Enron can't blackmail everyone into paying higher rates by shutting the energy grid down on a whim.



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26 Sep 2012, 10:25 pm

ruveyn wrote:
thomas81 wrote:
this sounds like the ramblings of the Primitivist movement or the Unabomber.


It is the dark underbelly of the environmentalist mindset. Scratch an environmentalist and you will find someone who hates the human race and wants it gone.

ruveyn


If the majority of humans keep opposing the idea of looking for sustainable economic solutions and just want to keep clinging to oil, wasteful consumption, and religions telling them to breed like rabbits, then the human race probably deserves to go extinct.



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26 Sep 2012, 10:34 pm

thomas81 wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
This is actually old news for me, I'm just glad there are some people here FINALLY waking up.


This attitude that humans are a disease to be wiped out, is not something that is unique to environmentalists, extreme or otherwise.

I've seen this sort of thing come from right wing metaphysicists with fascist tendencies. Very dangerous and unhinged people.

There was one, I cannot remember his name but used the analogy of being in a lifeboat being swamped by drowning people to compare the current social climate-" For your own preservation, take an axe and sever their arms before they capsize the boat"


That's already how right-wing people view the poor. The unemployed and other free-loaders are going to capsize the civilization by demanding too many entitlements and forcing governments into dept. Instead of being concerned about real physical limitations regarding actual resources we now depend on for energy, growing of food, etc... they are concerned about economic quantities which are at the end of the day nothing more than social contracts.



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26 Sep 2012, 11:02 pm

Those quotes are pretty scary...

The prospect of people using them as an excuse to ignore the very real environmental and economic challenges humanity currently faces? Even scarier.