tribute to Friedrich Nietzsche and karl marx

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these guys rule i lve will to power and the c.m

What I think is sort of interesting is that the views of Nietzsche and Marx sort of conflict even though you like them both. Nietzsche celebrated superiority and strength and wanted the strong to dominate over the weak, however, Marxists tend to be more concerned with inequality and with the dominance of one group over another. I sort of think that Nietzsche's views on individualism and strength are more compatible with a form of laissez-faire capitalism than they would be of Marxism. However, I perhaps don't have as much understanding of these 2 as you do, I have not read too much on or by Nietzsche.

I'm puzzled the same way as Awesomelyglorious is. If you explain a bit more, we may get an exchange of thoughts going here.

Nietszche wasn't into the strong over the weak...he was into a sacred 'yes' over a sacred 'no'

that is to say he saw the ubermensh 'overman' as a new sort of person that retained the 'child spirit' *cough* aspie

and therefore retained a positive curious inventive try it out for yourself attitude instead of being a follower of the herd mentality

exerpt from 3rd metamorphosis of the spirit:
'The child(spirit) is innocence and forgetting, a new beginning, a game, a self-propelled wheel, a first movement, a sacred "Yes." For the game of creation, my brothers, a sacred "Yes" is needed' the spirit now wills his own will, and he who had been lost to the world now conquers the world. (as in humans accept themselves as gods...and act accordingly instead of running amuck over the planet like it's a playtoy)

http://www.pitt.edu/~wbcurry/nietzsche/nuber.html <-- full thing here...1/2 way down the page....this kaufmann translated version is better than the others...who stuff up heaps of words

Nietzsche was into the rejection of slave morality for master morality, and as such sought strength while disregarding weakness. Slave mentality is the kind that socialism is an aspect of while master mentality emphasizes individualism and strength. Perhaps my wording was not the ideal, however, still, the master mentality is not that of socialism, socialism sees mankind as a herd, the master mentality wants the strength to be individuals and rise above that herd, this requires an individualistic system which is what capitalism is to a great extent.

They may conflict in some, but that doesn't mean that he can't admire qualities in both of them.

As has been pointed out, both were against submission. Marx believed in making it so that people are equal, and Nietzsche believed people should become stronger.


Also, Nietzsche can be viewed in different ways. More than Marx. I mean, when you get right down to it, Marx was about answers and Nietzsche was mostly about asking questions.

Well that may be true, but usually people are grouped together by similarity. If I started a thread about Adam Smith and Albert Einstein people are going to ask questions. This is not to imply that the pairing is that ludicrous but rather that we find the fact that there is conflict to be odd and as a previous poster mentioned, it might be nice to know more about the OP's thoughts in order for greater understanding.

A lot of people are against submission. If we take that as the similarity then we may as well pair together Ayn Rand and Marx as both were against submission. We did sort of want to see why the OP would put them together though more than the possibilities. I can generate my own possibilities but I cannot predict the thoughts of one individual.

He can be viewed different ways and nobody said that he couldn't, however, this does not change the nature of the conflict between the 2. Ideas of fierce individualism and class conflict do not mesh incredibly well as the entire idea of a class tends not to go well with the idea of a sovereign individual.