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13 Oct 2012, 9:25 pm

I have noticed Japan Germany and the UK used to be enemies of the USA N ow are our closest allies.

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13 Oct 2012, 9:29 pm

No sell. It would only be an irony if Japan, Germany and the UK were enemies and allies of the US simultaneously.

Like a person with diabetes getting hit by a truck carrying insulin...

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13 Oct 2012, 11:16 pm

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I have noticed Japan Germany and the UK used to be enemies of the USA N ow are our closest allies.

And while we were fighting the Nips and the Krauts, our allies were the Russians and the Chinese.

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13 Oct 2012, 11:40 pm

naturalplastic wrote:

AspieOtaku wrote:

I have noticed Japan Germany and the UK used to be enemies of the USA N ow are our closest allies.

And while we were fighting the Nips and the Krauts, our allies were the Russians and the Chinese.

Now that's irony.

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14 Oct 2012, 9:22 am

Since victory brought, in both cases, total occupation, disarmement and a regime decided by the Americans, it is not that surprising.

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14 Oct 2012, 9:42 am

AspieOtaku wrote:

naturalplastic wrote:

AspieOtaku wrote:

I have noticed Japan Germany and the UK used to be enemies of the USA N ow are our closest allies.

And while we were fighting the Nips and the Krauts, our allies were the Russians and the Chinese.

Now that's irony.

No. It is history. Nations are not persons, so they cannot be friends. Nations are governed by people who act in what they perceive to be their best interests. It is very pragmatic and not the least bit ethical. Get used to it.

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14 Oct 2012, 2:02 pm

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I have noticed Japan Germany and the UK used to be enemies of the USA N ow are our closest allies.

First I don't think the US and the UK were ever really enemies. Aside for the issue of US independence, I don't think that the US and the UK have ever had any major conflicts.

Second, of course Japan and Germany became allies of the US. The US vitally rebuilt those countries after WW2.

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14 Oct 2012, 4:04 pm

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I have noticed Japan Germany and the UK used to be enemies of the USA N ow are our closest allies.

Because the US Nuked one of them, And threatened to continue to unless they surrendered.

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15 Oct 2012, 1:59 am

IrishTusk wrote:

Max000 wrote:

AspieOtaku wrote:

I have noticed Japan Germany and the UK used to be enemies of the USA N ow are our closest allies.

Because the US Nuked one of them, And threatened to continue to unless they surrendered.

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15 Oct 2012, 2:25 am

AspieOtaku wrote:

IrishTusk wrote:

Max000 wrote:

AspieOtaku wrote:

I have noticed Japan Germany and the UK used to be enemies of the USA N ow are our closest allies.

Because the US Nuked one of them, And threatened to continue to unless they surrendered.

pales in comparison to japanese war crimes, what they did to South Korea, China, such a sad and pathetic regime that were far worse then the Nazi's. That's a fact. Especially hen you then see their ambitions for all of the Asia Pacific region and use their actions in South Korea and China as a taste of what to come puts things into perspective.

I guess the issue is one of collective guilt, and if you are a citizen of a nation that rapes every nation around you, do you share some responsibility to what then happens to you. Civilian casualties on the Island had hit 3million from constant US raids and yet their leaders were ready to fight on. The dropping of those nukes did not end the war anyways as their military leaders were ready to defend the homeland to the death. It was only the emperor and his brave decision to bring it to an end and avoid the horrific possibilities that his people could be subjected to that brought this to an end. A land invasion would have been costly to both sides, the blockade starving the island and the continual bombing of the capital, major cities and infrastructure would not have been moral either...

The Nuking was not a disgrace. It was Moral, it saved millions, and we should never apologize for it.

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15 Oct 2012, 9:27 am

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Because the US Nuked one of them, And threatened to continue to unless they surrendered.

Honestly I dont think nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki were necesary the US should have just bombed the bases the hundreds and thousands of civilians did not deserve to die. That was the biggest disgrace the USA has ever done.[/quote]

That "disgrace" saved the U.S. from possibly a million casualties. The Japanese were prepared to fight the U.S. to their deaths, using bamboo spears if necessary. The A-bombs shocked the Emperor into a state of sanity, so the war could be concluded with less blood shed on both sides. The A-bombs cost the Japanese perhaps 200,000 dead but it prevent a war that might have killed 5 - 10 million Japanese. By the way, Truman authorized the use of poison gas on the Japanese just in case the A-bombs did not work out.

Apparently the bleeding heart liberals are all bent out of shape by A-bombs but are not so disgusted with incendiary weapons (which killed more people than the A-bombs)

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15 Oct 2012, 10:12 am

You were at war with the Russians even before WW2 came to an end, with US and USSR planes shooting each other down over German skies in early 1945. The whole thing was covered up by your own government until very recently. Stalin went from bad guy to good guy and then back to bad guy in seven years.

You also armed Bin Laden (when he was seen by your government as a freedom fighter) and are now fighting against your own weapons.

You also armed Iran to the teeth and look what happened there.

When will your politicians learn to keep their interfering noses out of other nation's affairs?

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15 Oct 2012, 10:14 am

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You are quite right that our so-called foreign policy is short sighted and far from wise. But we will always have to keep a watch on what other governments and nations are doing. If it were possible, I would wish the U.S to be the nation that trades with everyone and is at war with no one. I wish. I wish. I wish.

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15 Oct 2012, 10:20 am

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If it were possible, I would wish the U.S to be the nation that trades with everyone and is at war with no one. I wish. I wish. I wish.

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If you were British, I would suggest you start here.

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15 Oct 2012, 10:25 am

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Never, never, never, ever, ever ever happen.

Oh, did I say never ever? Good. Just checking.

The US government is the single biggest customer of US manufactured military equipment and the arms lobby have their tongues lodged so far up the backsides of congress they can practically taste their last meal.

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15 Oct 2012, 10:40 am

Tequila wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

If it were possible, I would wish the U.S to be the nation that trades with everyone and is at war with no one. I wish. I wish. I wish.

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If you were British, I would suggest you start here.

No. I am a Yank. All I can do is try to promote some sanity and reason into the politics and business of my nation. Whatever little I can do, I will.

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