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Mootoo
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05 Nov 2012, 10:43 am

Not that being naïve is anything negative, if one is happy... but sometimes (not *that* often, actually - most are just introversively obsessive) I notice these happy-go-lucky people. Okay, I only have one in mind right now, but he fits this stereotype perfectly: smiles like an anthropomorphized carrot when engaged and talks so joyfully about his interests. Never met his family... but, surely, one can accurately guess their level of functionality if a person ends up like that? (Unless they are, of course, constantly high. But this guy is just naturally so.)

To say the least, I wish I was like him... I really, really wouldn't mind appearing so blissfully unaware if only I could be so positive... but, these days, there's barely any people IRL for me to engage with, let alone everything else being so perfectly in place... seemingly.

Now this *may* correlate to autistics on the other side of the spectrum who seem to smile a lot too (although most I observe appear to be wrecked with nerves and keep pacing to and fro), but for a coherently intelligent person to be so happy - I guess I envy him!



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05 Nov 2012, 10:49 am

smiling...carrots?



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05 Nov 2012, 10:50 am

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05 Nov 2012, 11:18 am

I know the type you mean. I don't think naive always equal happy though. I used to be terribly naive - got myself into a lot of difficulties, and I learned slowly. I wasn't happy at that time though. Though I've got even less happy as I've overcome my naive views. I used to believe I was capable of far more of a normal life, thought I could be like other people, and had to come to accept the reality was different from that.

I'm completely the opposite now. There would be benefits to being naive - but I take some comfort in the fact that my understanding is now rational and based on reality. I avoid making social errors or overestimating my abilities due to naivety of how the world works and its hard realities. Perhaps there's some benefits for you?



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05 Nov 2012, 11:26 am

Mootoo wrote:
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeHteEICUO0[/youtube]



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05 Nov 2012, 11:57 am

I was a happy naive aspie
Till very recently
Now I'm a less than happy
Less than naive aspie
I was happier before!

Gaining knowledge is like
collecting sticks on ones back

Understanding the mind
of the bastard
of the b***h
Is a place
I only wish to visit
temporarily
Begone ugly souls



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05 Nov 2012, 12:02 pm

Fuuu.....

I've been told I constantly smile. And been told I ramble on to people about their interests. As far as my functioning level, I got no idea. One thing I do know is when I called for an ASD Support Group in my area, they wanted me to meet with an individual doctor first, and then the doctor just from like a 5 minute phone call with me was like "Yeah, he's got Aspergers" to my mother without even seeing me.



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05 Nov 2012, 1:43 pm

1000Knives wrote:
Fuuu.....


Is that some sort of subtle put down?
If it is, take your put downs elsewhere
Thank you



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05 Nov 2012, 1:48 pm

Surfman wrote:
1000Knives wrote:
Fuuu.....


Is that some sort of subtle put down?
If it is, take your put downs elsewhere
Thank you


No, it's not, I just feel like this...
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05 Nov 2012, 1:49 pm

like a dick head?



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05 Nov 2012, 2:01 pm

Surfman wrote:
like a dick head?


Somewhat. I don't know if it's meant to be a dickhead, though. It's a meme from the internet. Generally the comics go like this:
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05 Nov 2012, 4:02 pm

As a child I was very naive and happy. As a teenager my naivety made me the butt of teasing and bullying and I became UNhappy very quickly. I have been working through my emotional issues since then, and I think I am finally emerging into my state of happy naivety again. That's where I want to be - I can't seem to do anything about the naivety, so I'm working on the happy!

I have never felt engaged with the world very much - I don't like to listen to the news or current events, I don't like popular culture (music, films, television), I'd rather stay in my own little world and draw and read books. Being an adult and having to earn a living has proved to be a hindrance to that for a while, but I'm working on a way I can earn money from doing what I do best, which will mean I can continue being happy and naive for as long as I like.

I'm quite happy being this way - or at least I would be if there were people around me who would be supportive of it and stop trying to change me!



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05 Nov 2012, 4:11 pm

I think it's meant as somebody who gets angry or annoyed over what happens, not a dickhead...

As for the current topic, I think I am quite naive. Less naive than I was in the past. That made me less happy. So my current life mission is to find a way to be happy, while not being that naive.


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05 Nov 2012, 4:18 pm

Jinks wrote:
As a child I was very naive and happy. As a teenager my naivety made me the butt of teasing and bullying and I became UNhappy very quickly. I have been working through my emotional issues since then, and I think I am finally emerging into my state of happy naivety again. That's where I want to be - I can't seem to do anything about the naivety, so I'm working on the happy!

I have never felt engaged with the world very much - I don't like to listen to the news or current events, I don't like popular culture (music, films, television), I'd rather stay in my own little world and draw and read books. Being an adult and having to earn a living has proved to be a hindrance to that for a while, but I'm working on a way I can earn money from doing what I do best, which will mean I can continue being happy and naive for as long as I like.

I'm quite happy being this way - or at least I would be if there were people around me who would be supportive of it and stop trying to change me!


You sound very much like me. I am annoyed with people trying to show me "how life really is, cruel and hard". Their attempts anger me. I don't want to be shown how much the world sucks. In fact, I don't think it sucks. There are good and bad things in the world - why focus on the negative ones? I'd rather daydream, listen to sweet music and make up beautiful stories with lovely characters. Who's to judge me? There's no objective reality - I mean, of course there is, but we cannot perceive it objectively. We only perceive reality in a subjective way. And I sure want to keep experiencing reality in my own subjective way, I have no need for others' subjective perceptions, which tend to be gloomier than my own. Einstein said that "there are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle." I chose the latter and will stick to it...


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05 Nov 2012, 4:34 pm

Generally, I find human emotions to be an expression of a cognitive bias, which might sound revolting to some, but it is the way I see it.
I'd prefer to have no strong emotion and be neutral. Unfortunately, I'm a very emotive person and I'm easily delighted or can be upset easily.

I noticed that each time someones smiles at me, I almost involuntary smile back. I feel weird when such thing happen because I realise that many times, I have no reason to do it. It feels like my body is trolling me. I wish that I would have been more autistic concerning this aspect. I admire detached people.


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05 Nov 2012, 4:39 pm

As I have had a lot of adversity, I felt 'seasoned'. It is humbling, as what happened to me, when someone half your age calls you naive. He wasn't being mean, as far as I could tell. It was an observation, which is all the more humbling.