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29 Nov 2012, 3:52 pm

Here is some info I found from an article regarding autistic people in the dating world.

"Autistic people may also face challenges in pursuing romantic relationships. Although no academic studies about romantic relationships have been published, personal accounts by autistic people do indicate that learning how too develop such relationships and navigate dating and marriage may be particularly difficult for many. This problem may be exacerbated by societal views that romantic relationships are not desirable or attainable for autistic people.

"People with developmental and intellectual disabilities historically have faced discriminatory practices by members of society too prevent there participation in romantic relationships and too limit there ability too have children. For instance, people with intellectual disabilities commonly underwent procedures too sterilize them during the early 20th century. More than 47,000 forced sterilizations of people with intellectual and developmental disabilities in 30 states occurred in the four decade span between 1907 and 1947. Although such forced sterilization for any subset of the population in the 21st century is very rare, negative attitudes and outdated perceptions regarding romantic relationships for people with intellectual and developmental disabilities have nothing less persisted. These prejudices have often limited the ability of autistic people too participate in romantic relationships of there own choosing".





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29 Nov 2012, 3:53 pm

Not surprising. There is a lot of prejudice in dating.



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29 Nov 2012, 3:54 pm

I think that whoever wrote it needs to learn the differences between "Their", "There", and "They're", and when to use each in the appropriate context.

Otherwise, it seems obvious to me that the authors of the first and second paragraphs are two different people.



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29 Nov 2012, 3:58 pm

wow that took a tangent between paragraphs.

the first paragraph makes sense. the second is just scary facts from 100 years ago as if that applies to the current generation. even if you were 60 today you would not be part of that group from 1947. pointless and offers nothing more than a random hypothetical with no information to backup if the people they refer to as Developmentally Disabled applies to people with Pervasive Developmental Disorders.


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29 Nov 2012, 3:59 pm

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I think it is sad. I remember, once when I was using OK Cupid I saw a profile that included "no-one with mental health issues, please" or something to that effect. Quite a hard pill to swallow. I feel that attitudes are changing, there are a lot of characters on TV drama that are portrayed to have learning disabilities (if you want to call it that). I think, literally awareness is all that it will take to shake off the attitudes as generations pass. This is more of a PPR-y thread, Jamesy


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29 Nov 2012, 4:10 pm

bucephalus wrote:
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I think it is sad. I remember, once when I was using OK Cupid I saw a profile that included "no-one with mental health issues, please" or something to that effect. Quite a hard pill to swallow. I feel that attitudes are changing, there are a lot of characters on TV drama that are portrayed to have learning disabilities (if you want to call it that). I think, literally awareness is all that it will take to shake off the attitudes as generations pass. This is more of a PPR-y thread, Jamesy
I agree I mentioned my disability in my profile and was like screw it if they dont want me because I have that then to hell with them they are ignorant bastages anyway.


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29 Nov 2012, 4:11 pm

I haven't read this specific article but I have read similar articles with similar information. In all the articles I read about discrimination, they were referring to staff of group homes and individual caretakers not allowing the intellectually disabled people have romantic relationships with each other. The way you have cut and pasted this bit of an article, it makes it seem as though the author(s) are talking about NT people refusing to date AS people as a form of discrimination. They aren't talking about that. A person deciding that they won't date another person with a particular condition isn't discrimination. But caretakers preventing their clients from dating each other is discrimination.



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29 Nov 2012, 4:13 pm

So? People want to date someone fun, and not someone who needs a care-giver.



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29 Nov 2012, 4:20 pm

Well I guess we do drive NTs bonkers and annoy the crap outa them this is pretty much how we are to them! [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqHQPUE42_w[/youtube] but aside from that we can be just as loveable as everyone else.Yeah we may obsess over little things and go on and on about it and act childish and be hyper but we are more likely to be honest loyal and caring.


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29 Nov 2012, 4:25 pm

Fnord wrote:
So? People want to date someone fun, and not someone who needs a care-giver.


Very true, and that's not discrimination. I have read articles with similar excerpts so I suspect this cut and paste job is giving people the wrong impression about the bulk of this article. I strongly suspect that the article that uses the term "discrimination" goes on to give examples of group homes and caretakers preventing their clients from dating each other and/or therapists advising intellectually disabled people (or their caretakers) not to attempt dating.

Another poster noticed that this looked like excerpts from two different articles and I suspect that is true. The first references social difficulties that autistic people will have when dating. The following paragraph talks about discrimination against the intellectually disabled. These two topics don't really have anything to do with each other but putting them together makes it seem as if NTs who decline dates with autistic people are being discriminatory. I strongly suspect that if Jamesy linked the original sources for these two paragraphs, they would be about two entirely different things and give a different impression.



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29 Nov 2012, 4:32 pm

My copy and is not working on my computer at the moment. Sorry :oops:



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29 Nov 2012, 4:35 pm

Janissy wrote:
Fnord wrote:
So? People want to date someone fun, and not someone who needs a care-giver.


Very true, and that's not discrimination. I have read articles with similar excerpts so I suspect this cut and paste job is giving people the wrong impression about the bulk of this article. I strongly suspect that the article that uses the term "discrimination" goes on to give examples of group homes and caretakers preventing their clients from dating each other and/or therapists advising intellectually disabled people (or their caretakers) not to attempt dating.

Another poster noticed that this looked like excerpts from two different articles and I suspect that is true. The first references social difficulties that autistic people will have when dating. The following paragraph talks about discrimination against the intellectually disabled. These two topics don't really have anything to do with each other but putting them together makes it seem as if NTs who decline dates with autistic people are being discriminatory. I strongly suspect that if Jamesy linked the original sources for these two paragraphs, they would be about two entirely different things and give a different impression.
Which is why I have to keep my AS a secret and not tell them to make it work if they find out or I tell them its a break up.95% of my relationships lasted much longer when they didnt know I had AS it wasnt till much later I trusted them enough and told them when they dump me and knowing that if I told them earlier they would have dumped me on the spot and not even give me a chance or look beyond that.


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29 Nov 2012, 4:41 pm

So unfair... :(

So unfair. AS people need love too.



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29 Nov 2012, 4:46 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm7yGsrrHG8[/youtube] :lol:


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29 Nov 2012, 4:49 pm

People who judge me because of my neurobioloical condition, are not worthy of my time. Stereotypical views on AS, just show ignorance. The word "spectrum", should at least lead them, to consult a dictionary.

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29 Nov 2012, 4:49 pm

It is sad, and it is unfair, but that is life.

It is true that most people don't want to be a boyfriend/care-giver. (There are people that do though) and it is also true that many aspies do not want romantic relationships.

I think that it would be good if more people were aware that some aspies do want relationships, and that them being shy is not being a creeper.