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17 Dec 2012, 7:31 pm

I was pleased to read this comment at the end of an article about Adam Lanza's having Asperger's on our behalf from the Huffington Post.

"Asperger's is a mild form of autism often characterized by social awkwardness. While people with the disorder can become frustrated more easily, there is no evidence of a link between Asperger's and violent behavior, experts say."

I really feel betrayed by Adam Lanza and I am pretty damn pissed off, I don't care why he did it, it is absolutely incomprehensible, how can someone who is much like you or I do such a thing. Never once in my life have I contemplated killing another human being, much less a child, I felt absolutely horrible for days after I shot a bunny on a scout camping trip once, sure I have my out of control moments but even then I wont hurt another person, I did elbow a girl in her stomach at work once when she tickled me, it was absolutely reflexive and I was mortified about my over-reaction. As is often the case we have no control over such reactions to being startled, but this is very different, he was apparently home schooled so he was never bullied, unlike in the incident at Columbine, but as horrific as that was and not to justify violence in any way whatsoever, at least they were retaliating against those whom they felt had wronged them, but to slaughter innocent children? I am the father of an absolutely beautiful 5 year old little girl who is just as cute as they come, so this really hits close to home for me, I cannot imagine the grief I would feel if I had to bury her, I simply would never recover if my little girl was murdered in cold blood like these children were. I know that everyone here is deeply concerned that we will be regarded with suspicion by anyone who knows that we share the same personality disorder which this killer of babies had, we have been betrayed by one of our own, I just hope that people will recognize that what this guy did is not in the least bit representative of how the rest of us think, feel and act.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/1 ... 16461.html


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17 Dec 2012, 7:59 pm

Here's another really great article I just came across on our behalf from Huff Post.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harold-s- ... 16848.html


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17 Dec 2012, 8:07 pm

So far, most of the Media seem to be getting it right. At least in general..
I first heard personality disorder, though. That would seem more likely.
To me the whole isue should be & is: More & BETTER Gun control laws. This is not about taking guns away, but about being responsible & practical. There is no need for the average person to have assault weaponry. This is military ordinace. These things are not made for defense or hunting. They are for killing. And that is all. I DO NOT NEED a Flamethrower. Why should someone else own a weapon of similar destructive potential. Its absurd. Until we regain our senses these kind of tragedies are inevitable.

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17 Dec 2012, 8:19 pm

Qualifier: Most of what I heard this AFTERNOON seemed to be getting their facts right. Given my experience of Media in the past, however, I am surprised there are not witchhunts for AS folk going on right now!

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17 Dec 2012, 8:23 pm

Why is everyone assuming he has AS? Because one 'news' article printed that an 'Official who is remaining anonymous because he is not authorized to discuss this said that the prep might have AS'. Nobody knows anything right now and here are people on even on WP that take this s**t as gospel. So some reporter talks to a junior coroners deputy, or a meter maid, or a receptionist that works at city hall, or even a cop on the scene. None of these people know s**t about AS or any other medical condition. None of these people have access to the perps medical records. The people who do legitimately have access to his medical records would never discuss them at this early stage of the investigation, anonymous or otherwise. It's all hearsay and rumors. Come on people get off the hysteria bandwagon.

There was a thread about what irks you the most about people. I think I figured out mine. Why do people believe every piece of BS they read without the source even crossing their mind?



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17 Dec 2012, 8:44 pm

Rascal77s wrote:
Why is everyone assuming he has AS? Because one 'news' article printed that an 'Official who is remaining anonymous because he is not authorized to discuss this said that the prep might have AS'. Nobody knows anything right now and here are people on even on WP that take this sh** as gospel. So some reporter talks to a junior coroners deputy, or a meter maid, or a receptionist that works at city hall, or even a cop on the scene. None of these people know sh** about AS or any other medical condition. None of these people have access to the perps medical records. The people who do legitimately have access to his medical records would never discuss them at this early stage of the investigation, anonymous or otherwise. It's all hearsay and rumors. Come on people get off the hysteria bandwagon.

There was a thread about what irks you the most about people. I think I figured out mine. Why do people believe every piece of BS they read without the source even crossing their mind?


He had AS. He was official diagnosed. Accept it.

What is tragic is that Lanza probably wasn't being treated for his Asperger's. I am surprised that this isn't being more a focus of discussion, the fact that there are thousands of people with Asperger's who are ging untreated because they can't afford therapy or are too old to get government sponsorship. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Lanza probably wasn't seeing a therapist, and yes Asperger's was partially responsible for this tragedy.



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17 Dec 2012, 8:45 pm

Rascal77s wrote:
Why is everyone assuming he has AS? Because one 'news' article printed that an 'Official who is remaining anonymous because he is not authorized to discuss this said that the prep might have AS'. Nobody knows anything right now and here are people on even on WP that take this sh** as gospel. So some reporter talks to a junior coroners deputy, or a meter maid, or a receptionist that works at city hall, or even a cop on the scene. None of these people know sh** about AS or any other medical condition. None of these people have access to the perps medical records. The people who do legitimately have access to his medical records would never discuss them at this early stage of the investigation, anonymous or otherwise. It's all hearsay and rumors. Come on people get off the hysteria bandwagon.

There was a thread about what irks you the most about people. I think I figured out mine. Why do people believe every piece of BS they read without the source even crossing their mind?


:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :wtg:

This is part of why, once I have the bare details of an event and how it affects various things, I stop reading/watching. It turns into pure speculation and thats never good.

we wouldn't want others to speculate about us....why should we do it to others...no matter the situation



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17 Dec 2012, 9:32 pm

you should just see who his dad is, also making things illegal sure makes them go away (hint war on drugs) also every mass shooting has happened in a gun free zone



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17 Dec 2012, 9:51 pm

neecerie wrote:
Rascal77s wrote:
Why is everyone assuming he has AS? Because one 'news' article printed that an 'Official who is remaining anonymous because he is not authorized to discuss this said that the prep might have AS'. Nobody knows anything right now and here are people on even on WP that take this sh** as gospel. So some reporter talks to a junior coroners deputy, or a meter maid, or a receptionist that works at city hall, or even a cop on the scene. None of these people know sh** about AS or any other medical condition. None of these people have access to the perps medical records. The people who do legitimately have access to his medical records would never discuss them at this early stage of the investigation, anonymous or otherwise. It's all hearsay and rumors. Come on people get off the hysteria bandwagon.

There was a thread about what irks you the most about people. I think I figured out mine. Why do people believe every piece of BS they read without the source even crossing their mind?


:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :wtg:

This is part of why, once I have the bare details of an event and how it affects various things, I stop reading/watching. It turns into pure speculation and thats never good.

we wouldn't want others to speculate about us....why should we do it to others...no matter the situation


It's not specualtion though, he was officially diagnosed. Now of course you're going to get those people who are going to say he was wrongfully diagnosed. Guys just accept it.

If he was diagnosed with schizophrenia or some other mental illness no one would be refuting that. This is the power of the BS autism rights movement to distort everything.



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19 Dec 2012, 5:46 am

huffington post is just like it sounds.....smoke signals from the sf crew

rather read some real news.....



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19 Dec 2012, 6:12 am

The "damage control" around these parts can be be totally unthinking, as if some people here believe that AS could never be part of a plausible story to explain why somebody did something terrible. Of course it could. If you look at the Haven section here, it is full of people who are having problems with isolation and depression because of their AS. People on the extreme end of this spectrum could take extreme action.



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19 Dec 2012, 6:13 am

Disraeli wrote:
He had AS. He was official diagnosed. Accept it.



Tell you what. I'll accept it when you or anybody else shows me proof. You sound sure of it so show me something that proved to you that he is officially diagnosed with AS. I don't think you can.



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19 Dec 2012, 6:25 am

you guys talkin about the connecticut shooting?


(wrong spelling probably....its late and im drunk....sorta)....


did you know the mom went to some sort of training to learn to shoot her gun with her son?

imo....and it matters little......kids are being trained to do this...it's all apart of the assault rifle gun ban being pushed....

but as i said...im just a village idiot...



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19 Dec 2012, 8:49 pm

Better question yet: Why would a mother who had trouble controlling her disturbed child teach him how to shoot semi-automatic weaponry & have such weaponry in her home. HAd she not been a victim, I am sure she would be crucified for these lapses in judgement.
As far as I can determine, he did indeed have Asperger's and an undisclosed other condition. This is from his High School councilor.

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PS. Which does not mean Asperger's caused this, which is what a lot of Media want to imply..



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19 Dec 2012, 11:58 pm

Matt62 wrote:
So far, most of the Media seem to be getting it right. At least in general..
I first heard personality disorder, though. That would seem more likely.
To me the whole isue should be & is: More & BETTER Gun control laws. This is not about taking guns away, but about being responsible & practical. There is no need for the average person to have assault weaponry. This is military ordinace. These things are not made for defense or hunting. They are for killing. And that is all. I DO NOT NEED a Flamethrower. Why should someone else own a weapon of similar destructive potential. Its absurd. Until we regain our senses these kind of tragedies are inevitable.

Sincerely,
Matthew


While I totally agree there needs to be better control over weaponry usage, I don't think getting some types of guns off the street (out of the general public's hands) is a good idea. Our gun rights are there to protect us from a corrupt government should the time of fighting arise. This doesn't excuse people's behavior though and violence won't stop just because some guns aren't legal anymore. People would use rocks if they really wanted to kill someone, or home made bombs for that matter, not that hard to make if one is determined enough.

@OP
I've been doing videos about the whole situation and I've posted links in the discriptions of the videos, one of which was one of the huffington post articles. I only hope that people will listen and not draw their own ridiculous conclusions.


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20 Dec 2012, 5:43 am

If you found a gun on your kitchen table would you go out and shoot someone? If you found a syringe full of heroin would you shoot it up? If you were mad at another driver would you use your car to run them off the road? People who obey laws don't do these things. People who don't obey laws do these things. why would you ban guns for people who obey laws? Assault weapons and full auto weapons have been banned in CA for many years, now the only people who have them are felon gangbangers for whom it's illegal to own ANY gun. It is important that most gun crimes are committed by people who are criminals. You can't ban stupid.