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17 Dec 2012, 10:03 pm

The date December 21, 2012 is coming soon. Do you think it will be the end of the world?



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17 Dec 2012, 10:29 pm

The Roman invention of the leap year disproves the doomsday theory.


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17 Dec 2012, 11:01 pm

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The date December 21, 2012 is coming soon. Do you think it will be the end of the world?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_civilization#Calendar "the calendars they used were crude, being based on a year length of exactly 365 days, which means that the calendar falls out of step with the seasons by one day every four years." According to that the "end of the world" would've came decades, if not, centuries ago, because their calendar would have expired long ago.

Jesus tells us "Concerning that day and hour [when the end of this wicked system ends] nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father." (Matthew 24:36)

The bible is more than a book that helps people learn how to live good, moral lives. It is also a book of accurate prophecy by its author Jehovah God. For example the Bible tells us that King Cyrus II, many years before his birth, would free the Jews held captive in Babylon and allow them to return to Jerusalem and rebuild God’s temple. A place the Babylonians had destroyed in 607 B.C.E. (Ezra 1:1-7; 6:3-5) This account is corroborated by a clay document known as the Cyrus Cylinder discovered in 1879 in the ruins of ancient Babylon.

About 200 years before the time of Alexander the Great, Jehovah God’s prophet Daniel wrote concerning world domination: “Look! there was a male of the goats coming from the sunset upon the surface of the whole earth, and it was not touching the earth. And as regards the he-goat, there was a conspicuous horn between its eyes. And it kept coming all the way to the ram possessing the two horns, . . . and it came running toward it in its powerful rage. And . . . it proceeded to strike down the ram and to break its two horns, and there proved to be no power in the ram to stand before it. So it threw it to the earth and trampled it down . . . And the male of the goats, for its part, put on great airs to an extreme; but as soon as it became mighty, the great horn was broken, and there proceeded to come up conspicuously four instead of it, toward the four winds of the heavens.” — Daniel 8:5-8.

To whom did those words apply? Daniel himself answers: “The ram that you saw possessing the two horns stands for the kings of Media and Persia. And the hairy he-goat stands for the king of Greece; and as for the great horn that was between its eyes, it stands for the first king.” — Daniel 8:20-22.

Think about that! During the time of the Babylonian world power, the Bible foretold that the succeeding powers would be Medo-Persia and Greece and even explains how Greece would fall. The Bible specifically stated that “as soon as it became mighty, the great horn” — Alexander — would be “broken” and would be replaced by four others, adding further that none of them would be Alexander’s posterity. — Daniel 11:4. Who are these "four others"? These are none other than Alexander's four leading generals — Lysimachus, Cassander, Seleucus, and Ptolemy. They “proclaimed themselves kings” and took over the empire, states the book The Hellenistic Age.

The above are just two examples of accurate predictions made in the Bible. There are MANY more. Which would you put faith in? The faulty calendar of an extinct civilization, or the proven and accurate words of the bible?



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17 Dec 2012, 11:01 pm

It would solve so many problems.



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17 Dec 2012, 11:24 pm

According to all known models of stellar fusion mechanics, the End of the World will occur in about 5,000,000,000 years, when the Sun's core runs out of hydrogen as its nuclear fuel. The core will then contract and the outer layers will expand, cool, and become less bright. It will become a red giant star, at which time it will vaporize the inner planets (Mercury, Venus, Earth, and Mars). After this phase, the outer layers of the Sun will continue to expand. As this happens, the core will contract; the helium atoms in the core will fuse together, forming carbon atoms and releasing energy. The core will then be stable since the carbon atoms are not further compressible - it will have become a multi-billion-ton diamond, a fitting cenotaph for the Late, Great Planet Earth.


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17 Dec 2012, 11:54 pm

The world is as likely to end this Friday as it is any other day. (Not as low a probability as you might think).


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18 Dec 2012, 12:10 am

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... During the time of the Babylonian world power, the Bible foretold that the succeeding powers would be Medo-Persia and Greece and even explains how Greece would fall. The Bible specifically stated that “as soon as it became mighty, the great horn” — Alexander — would be “broken” and would be replaced by four others, adding further that none of them would be Alexander’s posterity. — Daniel 11:4. Who are these "four others"? These are none other than Alexander's four leading generals — Lysimachus, Cassander, Seleucus, and Ptolemy. They “proclaimed themselves kings” and took over the empire, states the book The Hellenistic Age.

The above are just two examples of accurate predictions made in the Bible...

No, they are not.

Make any prediction vague enough, and it can be applied to anything, especially if the "prediction" and the event that was "predicted" are both in the past. Jeanne Dixon (another false prophet) claimed in 1966 that she had made a prediction in 1961 that JFK would be assassinated in 1963. Amazing, isn't it? Too bad she never told anyone of her "prediction" until after the fact.

Biblical "prophesies" are so widely open to interpretation, that even professional Bible scholars can not agree on their "true" meaning.

And yet, one lone Aspie joho implies that he KNOWS that Biblical "prophesy" is accurate, and only because he has "validated" the accuracy of his own interpretations! This is typical of false prophets and apostates ... self-supporting interpretations that only they can see ...

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... Which would you put faith in? The faulty calendar of an extinct civilization, or the proven and accurate words of the bible?

The calendar, of course. It is much more accurate than a collection of fireside stories passed down from illiterate herdsmen since the Stone Age. Besides, the calendar does not predict the end of the world, yet the Bible does ... and the Bible has been interpreted to predict the end of the world hundreds of times since the fall of the Temple and the diaspora -- each time, the "prophets" have been proven false, and their "prophesies" have been proven WRONG.


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18 Dec 2012, 12:20 am

Don't make me post about the clearly failed prophecies of the WatchTower now, kxmode.



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18 Dec 2012, 12:26 am

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Don't make me post about the clearly failed prophecies of the WatchTower now, kxmode.

Go ahead. Whichever ones you miss, I might be able to cover. I've been tracking their lies since the 1960s.


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18 Dec 2012, 12:28 am

Ofcourse it will come to an end in five days!
Surely you jest about having any doubts about that!

Just like it came to an end in 5-5-2000 in the prophetic book of that title that was a bestseller in the 1990's.

And positive things also happen when ancient calenders coincide.

Remember the "Harmonic Convergence"? The Mayan, Chinese, and a host of other ancient calenders all converged on that date in 90's- and all heaven was supposed to break out! And sure enough it did!

Well the stock market, which was already doing well, continued to do well.

So why would this "end of the world" be any different?



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18 Dec 2012, 12:38 am

Here's one for now:

http://wcl.wikia.com/wiki/The_Time_Is_at_Hand

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In this chapter we present the Bible evidence proving that the full end of the times of the Gentiles, i.e., the full end of their lease of dominion, will be reached in A.D. 1914; and that that date will see the disintegration of the rule of imperfect men. And be it observed, that if this is shown to be a fact firmly established by the Scriptures, it will prove: [B77]

Firstly, That at that date the Kingdom of God, for which our Lord taught us to pray, saying, "Thy Kingdom come," will begin to assume control, and that it will then shortly be "set up," or firmly established, in the earth, on the ruins of present institutions.

Secondly, It will prove that he whose right it is thus to take the dominion will then be present as earth's new Ruler; and not only so, but it will also prove that he will be present for a considerable period before that date; because the overthrow of these Gentile governments is directly caused by his dashing them to pieces as a potter's vessel (Psa. 2:9; Rev. 2:27), and establishing in their stead his own righteous government.

Thirdly, It will prove that some time before the end of the overthrow the last member of the divinely recognized Church of Christ, the "royal priesthood," "the body of Christ," will be glorified with the Head; because every member is to reign with Christ, being a joint-heir with him of the Kingdom, and it cannot be fully "set up" without every member.

Fourthly, It will prove that from that time forward Jerusalem shall no longer be trodden down of the Gentiles, but shall arise from the dust of divine disfavor, to honor; because the "Times of the Gentiles" will be fulfilled or completed.

Fifthly, It will prove that by that date, or sooner, Israel's blindness will begin to be turned away; because their "blindness in part" was to continue only "until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in" (Rom. 11:25), or, in other words, until the full number from among the Gentiles, who are to be members of the body or bride of Christ, would be fully selected.

Sixthly, It will prove that the great "time of trouble such [B78] as never was since there was a nation," will reach its culmination in a world-wide reign of anarchy; and then men will learn to be still, and to know that Jehovah is God and that he will be exalted in the earth. (Psa. 46:10) The condition of things spoken of in symbolic language as raging waves of the sea, melting earth, falling mountains and burning heavens will then pass away, and the "new heavens and new earth" with their peaceful blessings will begin to be recognized by trouble-tossed humanity. But the Lord's Anointed and his rightful and righteous authority will first be recognized by a company of God's children while passing through the great tribulation-the class represented by m and t on the Chart of the Ages (see also pages 235 to 239, Vol. I); afterward, just at its close, by fleshly Israel; and ultimately by mankind in general.

Seventhly, It will prove that before that date God's Kingdom, organized in power, will be in the earth and then smite and crush the Gentile image (Dan. 2:34)-and fully consume the power of these kings. Its own power and dominion will be established as fast as by its varied influences and agencies it crushes and scatters the "powers that be"- civil and ecclesiastical-iron and clay.


It's been a while since that proposed date, and I see that Gentiles are only increasing in power and dominion, not as the WatchTower predicted.



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18 Dec 2012, 12:58 am

Fnord wrote:
kxmode wrote:
... During the time of the

Make any prediction vague enough, and it can be applied to anything, especially if the "prediction" and the event that was "predicted" are both in the past. Jeanne Dixon (another false prophet) claimed in 1966 that she had made a prediction in 1961 that JFK would be assassinated in 1963. Amazing, isn't it? Too bad she never told anyone of her "prediction" until after the fact.

prophesies" .


Thats not my understanding of what happened.

What Jean Dixon did was in around 1958 publicly state that the next president after Eisenhower "would be a Democrat, and that he would die in office". It was well before the events in dallas in 1963. This would indeed seem to be rather startling. But there was a problem.

The problem was that a couple of years later during the actual 1960 campain she predicted that Republican "Nixon would win."

So she actually made two contradictory prophecies.

Her modern defenders still say that she "predicted Kennedy's assasination". Her detractors say that "no, she predicted that Nixon would be assassinated".

So...take your pick!



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18 Dec 2012, 1:31 am

Personally, I think the world will end on December 31. That's when my calendar ends.



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18 Dec 2012, 2:28 am

I agree with Fnord . . . the world's not going anywhere for a long time. However, humanity may be in it's last days. The earth is overpopulated and I think there will be a counterbalance. It might not wipe out the human species, but things may change drastically.


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18 Dec 2012, 3:34 am

Arcanyn wrote:
Personally, I think the world will end on December 31. That's when my calendar ends.


Hahaha, cute... :P



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18 Dec 2012, 8:37 am

I don't think the world will end. However, I believe that the millions of people who believe in 12/21 are going to go absolutely apes%*t and cause the major pillars of society to fall apart. The government and the media are doing a wonderful job of keeping everybody distracted with the Newtown shooting and politics. Oh, and speaking of Newtown, I have two words: FALSE FLAG. Adam Lanza as the shooter fits the stereotype of a "loner gunman" so well, he might as well be a fall guy. Also, my grandmother told me this morning that in China, over a hundred people were arrested for spreading rumors about 12/21. Gee, you think that's a coincidence?


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