Are there autistic serial killers or only psychopathic ones?

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I'm not sugesting they aren't already out there. Just gently putting it to Aspie giraffe that people with psychopathic fantasies are not really a good fit for occupations that involve saving lives.

That's an incorrect assumption. In fact a very large number of surgeons are believed to have a psychopathic personality. And in the end it's a personality type, which is more like software (developmental with predispositions for it), whereas autism is a different form of wiring in your brain from NT, comparable to hardware. Autistic people sure as hell can develop a psychopathic personality. In fact most are secondary psychopaths, due to social and cultural conditioning.

That's an incorrect assumption. In fact a very large number of surgeons are believed to have a psychopathic personality. And in the end it's a personality type, which is more like software (developmental with predispositions for it), whereas autism is a different form of wiring in your brain from NT, comparable to hardware. Autistic people sure as hell can develop a psychopathic personality. In fact most are secondary psychopaths, due to social and cultural conditioning.

I just ask this out of curiosity.

One of my last interests is serial killers. I know what autism is because my brother has it and I have it in an undiagnosed form, and I think most people with autism wouldn't be able to do this. What I notice is that almost all of them seemed to have psychopathy. I know that the majority of autistic people aren't criminals, although a very tiny percentage commits crimes, what I wonder about already for a long time is if there are known any cases of people with autism, because it seems like this doesn't occur, but I wonder if there are any cases known of serial killers who are most likely to be autistic, obviously weren't psychopaths and may have had autism or did have certain problems or were diagnosed with autism.

The only one which I can think of:

- Ted Kaczinsky

All the others I read about are obviously psychopaths because of, for instance, their manipulative behaviour.

I think that for the most part, Serial Killers are psychopaths and not aspies, but Mass Killers (guy shoots up mall then kills himself type of guy) are more likely to be autistic.

The frustration of how people react to people with Aspergers and constant social isolation could lead to Mass Shootings indeed.

@Both: Based on what? Frustration from everyday life? That is no different than about 80% of the population of the planet, everyone has frustrations that they deal with and everyone reacts differently to those frustrations. Only a handfull of those people even think about shooting people, and even less of those actually plan to do it, and by shear math alone, they are far more likely to be non-autistic than autistic.

Bar Graph (sort of): Please note this is based on the information that I currently have which can be found Here

Non-autistic people in the world: Estimated at about 7 billion people.
||||||||||||||||||||| ----more people = a higher percentage/chance

Autistic people in the world: Estimated at about 1.7% of Earth's population (46 million people)
|| ----less people = a lower percentage/chance

Ahh common. I have aspergers myself and I can tell you that you can get a lot frustration of it because people get angry at you for things which you don't understand and you don't know how to react to other people. It might be true that there aren't a lot of autistic people in the world, I don't deny that. But I think that autistic people get much easier frustrated because of misunderstanding of them. Don't you remember the case of William Freund from this forum who was diagnosed with Aspergers, was hated by everyone and even hated by people on this site and decided to shoot at people who he judged to be responsable for that?

That's an incorrect assumption. In fact a very large number of surgeons are believed to have a psychopathic personality. And in the end it's a personality type, which is more like software (developmental with predispositions for it), whereas autism is a different form of wiring in your brain from NT, comparable to hardware. Autistic people sure as hell can develop a psychopathic personality. In fact most are secondary psychopaths, due to social and cultural conditioning.

Citation needed.

Per the surgeons having a psychopathic personality, I have one relative who is a surgeon specializing in both gyneacology and andrology and another relative who is a cardiac surgeon. Their distance and amusement when it comes to other peoples' perception of their work leave me without a doubt as to their nature. Plus they both have this polite "I pity the fool" expressive look on their faces when listening to my soliloquies during family gathering. Sometimes I think they would both enjoy having their way with me using a scalpel, were I not their relative (in fact the first one had some professional experience with moving my testicles into their proper place when I was a kid).
I had the dubious pleasure of stitching myself up on numerous occasions and know a thing or two about hyper focus (being hypo-sensitive helps as opioids tend to distaste me on a peculiar level).
Just saying.

But even then, that's two people out of an entire field of medicine that worldwide easily has a few hundred thousand (if not more) other doctors doing the exact same things (fields of study).
You can't judge the behavior and tendencies of the many by the observations of the few or one. That's a path that society takes in relation to Aspergers/Autism and they're just as wrong for doing so. And really, look where it's gotten everyone, people blindly hating other people based on personal observations and opinions that are gathered from the worst bits of humankind and applied to everyone with any (even speculative) similarity.

As a 10 year old kid, during the summer months I started hunting frogs and then would release them back to the pond at the community garden my mother was a member of.

The neighbour next plot over noticed that and showed me something that stuck in my mind and definitely affected my behaviour (btw, he was a well respected police officer and a WWII veteran). He would grab a frog by its hind legs, set its head on a flat stone and smash it with another rock with a quick move. Then using a knife he would cut off the upper torso including the arms, remove the viscera and innards, skin the bottom part and then pass such prepared amphibian to me for roasting on the grill that my mother was using at that time. He did the same to 6 more frogs I caught while I would look on with some degree of fascination. He would toss the "inedible" parts back to the pond then, where the local fishing enthusiasts bred pike fish. The ensuing frenzy was quite a thing to watch and the large sized frogs were quite a treat.

The following school year my mother entrusted me with money to pay for lunches on a monthly basis. I chose to spend that money on books that would interest me and sustained my diet on roasted frog legs that I would prepare and stash in advance. Suffice to say I carried this procedure unnoticed for years, until I got sick and tired of eating my own version of "French cuisine".

My mother was obliviously happy thinking I'm "properly" fed, the pike fish were happy with a free treat, the local fishing enthusiasts were happy with well fed pike fish and I had a load of books, which I would eventually pass on to some of my poorer class mates. Perhaps the only victims here were the several thousand frogs I passed through my digestive system, though every following year there seemed to be more and more frogs at the pond (I suspect some natural selection connection here as the quicker and more agile ones would escape my clumsy clutches, obviously increasing the offspring's ability to escape the natural predators in the pond).

Someone might think my adolescent behaviour would fit into the AsPD, yet I didn't feel any pleasure in the killing and preparation of the frogs. I treated it as a necessity in order to feed myself and increase my library.

When a few decades later I spoke of this to my mother she was genuinely surprised and told me I should have simply asked her for the money for books (my room looked like and was used as book storage anyway, so she never noticed any increase in the number of volumes). To this day I don't properly know how to feel about the whole hunting/fraud/sharing/feeding experience.

It certainly helped me with my reflexes, eye-hand coordination and fed my obsessive need to read (the books were mostly fantasy and science-fiction, which are the only type of fiction that I can stomach). I don't feel any urge to kill frogs or any other animals for that matter, but if forced to hunt for food I would certainly have no compunctions about it. All I can say is that it allowed me to grow up in my own way.

Yet if for comparison we were to substitute the frogs with humans or the product of human labour, the pike fish with let's say any type of human scavenger whose life or skills could be used in the future, the fishing enthusiasts as friendly and appreciative benefactors of my efforts and the books as tools of power/responsibility that I can eventually pass onto the less fortunate, what would that make me then? A monster, a politician (too often these two are the same), a businessman or simply a human being surviving in the human world?

I think the perceptual difference between AsPD and Asperger's lies simply in how we arrive at our conclusions about the world we live in.

My apologies. I wrote that in a drunken rage. Should have kept my fingers stimming around a gun trigger or something more useful/productive instead of the keyboard. Simply a personal observation of ASD adults who have to deal with life in differing socio/economic and cultural circumstances. Self defensive mechanisms tend to desensitize people just as much as offensive mechanisms when it comes to survival. Should have written "There seems to be a tendency for ASD people to develop secondary psychopathy due to social and cultural conditioning as I have observed in my own personal experience, as limited as it is". Humble apologies, I will try to be more sensitive and observant of proper protocol in my internet ramblings