Are Americans The World's Most Miserable People?

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11 Feb 2013, 12:15 am

I thought I'd put this topic on here because most of us are pretty worldly. I was wondering if you thought if Americans were more likely to experience depression and/or self loathing than those of other cultures.

In my very limited world experience, I can see how it is possible, although I cannot confirm it conclusively. Others I know who are either from other cultures or have experience abroad tell me it is true. I only have extensive experience with other Western societies, and yet I see how Americans can be hard on themselves.

I have heard several theories floated as to why Americans are so glum. One theory is diet. We eat a lot of sugar and processed foods, which make hormones go wacky. Another theory I personally subscribe to is that we Americans have an ingrained sense of individualism that makes many of us insanely aspiration. We have seen this with Americans living beyond their means thanks to debt. I believe it is equally as common for parents to regiment their children's' lives, hoping they go to Ivy League schools and become the next Fortune 500 CEOs.

What do you think?



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11 Feb 2013, 12:42 am

I think the society here can certainly be a factor in the high numbers of depression and mental illness in general. I think there is too much pressure to achieve material 'success' and complete and total independence...like it seems there is a lot of stigma towards having to take things slower or accepting help rather than just burning yourself out trying not to burden anyone. and well there is a lot of negativity towards taking things down a notch as if its a crime relax sometimes. At least I think that could have something to do with it.


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11 Feb 2013, 1:01 am

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I think the society here can certainly be a factor in the high numbers of depression and mental illness in general. I think there is too much pressure to achieve material 'success' and complete and total independence...like it seems there is a lot of stigma towards having to take things slower or accepting help rather than just burning yourself out trying not to burden anyone. and well there is a lot of negativity towards taking things down a notch as if its a crime relax sometimes. At least I think that could have something to do with it.


That's so true. People are also more inclined to lapse into superstition, particularly with the lack of health care access people are inclined to go on about how God tested them by giving them cancer, that it was all Destiny and so on. I was also reading about people treating serious illnesses with vinegar or some other witch's brew... really bad. Noam Chomsky has very often spoken about the downtrodden nature of the American people as indicated in surveys.



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11 Feb 2013, 1:05 am

lotuspuppy wrote:
I thought I'd put this topic on here because most of us are pretty worldly. I was wondering if you thought if Americans were more likely to experience depression and/or self loathing than those of other cultures.

In my very limited world experience, I can see how it is possible, although I cannot confirm it conclusively. Others I know who are either from other cultures or have experience abroad tell me it is true. I only have extensive experience with other Western societies, and yet I see how Americans can be hard on themselves.

I have heard several theories floated as to why Americans are so glum. One theory is diet. We eat a lot of sugar and processed foods, which make hormones go wacky. Another theory I personally subscribe to is that we Americans have an ingrained sense of individualism that makes many of us insanely aspiration. We have seen this with Americans living beyond their means thanks to debt. I believe it is equally as common for parents to regiment their children's' lives, hoping they go to Ivy League schools and become the next Fortune 500 CEOs.

What do you think?


Debt, diet, cars (long commutes through traffic), economic inequality, and extreme capitalism with all its problems like excessive work hours/stress and excessive competition. I could believe it. I doubt we're the most miserable people on earth (what about all that suicide and alcoholism in Russia?), but we're definitely up there.

I'm pretty sure I would never want to work in the private sector here.



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11 Feb 2013, 1:07 am

This proves that the worship of capitalism is a form of extreme masochism.



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11 Feb 2013, 1:16 am

meh. We're just cut off from each other and the rest of the world. Maybe some of the cities are different, but most people live in these suburban or rural areas that foster same-ness and consumer culture. I would agree that Americans have a striving nature, but I'm not exactly sure what we're all striving FOR. I think being "American" is essentially being lonely and feeling ashamed because of it. We're constantly seeing images of perfect community reflected in TV shows and movies but aren't able to build the same thing in our actual lives because we've all been taught not to trust anyone EVER. It's sad. It's only in times of crisis that we ever see that pulling together and real sense of community grow.



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11 Feb 2013, 1:26 am

Other countries have a culture. America is not a melting pot, New York is part of Europe, New England still English, and the Blacks and Mexicans are living in another world.

We have people coming here saying things got better when The Queen Mother took away all the guns, and how The Holy Father wants to lead all of his children.

Those who point out our Constitution being different, are called right wing gun nuts and worse.

We have to live our lives in a mix of people who are all sure they are right, and avoid being poisoned for their cause.

Europe emptied their jails, deported underclasses to America, and third generation asians still do not speak English.

I have nothing in common with those who would destroy myself, my culture, or my Nation, because they are here, and it is all they know.

The garbage of earth was dumped on these shores.

It may have something to do with our view of Europe, we have seen the worst they have to offer.

Now it is their turn as they get invaded by Africa and the Mid East.

We also have some of the most productive people, They tend to live in groups for self protection. I am sure their are plans to move some South Sudan tribe in for diversity, maybe a million from Somalia.

We are a country at war with its self. In a Post Industrial world where population declines, some want to open the doors to several hundred million of their relatives.

We need more slums, sub cultures, and jails. We need to lower our educational standards, and we cannot object, because that would be Racist.

So we discriminate against everyone equally. America is the land where people aspire to greatness, and that is what the rest are looking to steal.

Shutting people out is the only way to survive, because I am greedy and do not want to share, just because I have more, that I worked for.

The Government and Country of The American People is gone, I live in a Multi Cultural wasteland,

We are in decline, it will end badly, it is sad and depressing.



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11 Feb 2013, 1:26 am

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meh. We're just cut off from each other and the rest of the world. Maybe some of the cities are different, but most people live in these suburban or rural areas that foster same-ness and consumer culture. I would agree that Americans have a striving nature, but I'm not exactly sure what we're all striving FOR. I think being "American" is essentially being lonely and feeling ashamed because of it. We're constantly seeing images of perfect community reflected in TV shows and movies but aren't able to build the same thing in our actual lives because we've all been taught not to trust anyone EVER. It's sad. It's only in times of crisis that we ever see that pulling together and real sense of community grow.


When crazy Glen Beck did the whole 912 project I'd joke that he wants another 911 since that's how you create a 912 but his whole thing was to say that people were so much better with one another in the aftermath of 911 and there is a ring of truth to that. There was also a very bad side to that of course but I think Beck tried to simultaneously tap into both the community reaction as well as the ugly side...



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11 Feb 2013, 1:29 am

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The garbage of earth was dumped on these shores.


That reminds me of this quote from a film that goes, "What is America? What is it made of? Pimps, prostitutes and religious fanatics, thrown out of England but a few small centuries ago! They're the scum of the Earth!" Yes, the film was made by an American.



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11 Feb 2013, 6:53 am

xenon13 wrote:
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The garbage of earth was dumped on these shores.


That reminds me of this quote from a film that goes, "What is America? What is it made of? Pimps, prostitutes and religious fanatics, thrown out of England but a few small centuries ago! They're the scum of the Earth!" Yes, the film was made by an American.


How different is that, really, from Australia? The whole continent used to be used as a penal colony, and these days, the country is generally seen as being roughly on par with or better than Canada for happiness. Which is to say, happier than the US.

I really don't see how we can make the assertion that Americans are the most miserable. What about Japan, which still has one of the world's highest national suicide rates? What about China and Russia, where there have been significant indicators of discontentment over authoritarian governments in recent years? What about the dozens of impoverished third-world nations in Africa where disease, famine and conflict run rampant?

Don't get me wrong-- the US has serious problems, particularly the lower and middle classes who are becoming more and more marginalized. But let's have some perspective here-- I'd be willing to assert that Flint, Michigan, still has quite a higher standard of living than someplace like Mogadishu.


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11 Feb 2013, 7:01 am

xenon13 wrote:
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The garbage of earth was dumped on these shores.


That reminds me of this quote from a film that goes, "What is America? What is it made of? Pimps, prostitutes and religious fanatics, thrown out of England but a few small centuries ago! They're the scum of the Earth!" Yes, the film was made by an American.


Clarkson said something similar on Top Gear: We sent the christians to America, and the criminals to Australia.



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11 Feb 2013, 9:10 am

North eastern Europe has the consistently high suicide figures across many countries mainly ex soviet block.
In NZ Maori women [and men] are very high, Aboriginal Australians, and American Indians all suicide at very high rates.
Few full bloods exist now, and many autistic European settlers [mostly men]who migrated there in the 1800's screwed with the gene pool. Few white women were available or even present, and many autistic men left their homelands for the promise of a gorgeous native bride, a new life and escape the bullies.

Its the Canadians who have it bad



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11 Feb 2013, 9:45 am

Surfman wrote:
North eastern Europe has the consistently high suicide figures across many countries mainly ex soviet block.
In NZ Maori women [and men] are very high, Aboriginal Australians, and American Indians all suicide at very high rates.
Few full bloods exist now, and many autistic European settlers [mostly men]who migrated there in the 1800's screwed with the gene pool. Few white women were available or even present, and many autistic men left their homelands for the promise of a gorgeous native bride, a new life and escape the bullies.

Its the Canadians who have it bad


I don't think suicide rates necessarily are indicative of anything because it affects only a small subset of the population and, statistically, suicide rates are higher in north latitude countries probably on the basis of weather alone.

I think a good example is Finland. Pretty high on all the happiness surveys but one of the highest suicide rates in the world. I wouldn't mind living there though.



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11 Feb 2013, 9:56 am

I think Americans are more in denial of their misery than other cultures. We're supposed to be "the best place on earth", or that's what's drilled into our heads. Have to hold on to that glossy shiny exterior to save face while underneath our society is quite rotten.



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11 Feb 2013, 4:12 pm

Tyri0n wrote:
Surfman wrote:
North eastern Europe has the consistently high suicide figures across many countries mainly ex soviet block.
In NZ Maori women [and men] are very high, Aboriginal Australians, and American Indians all suicide at very high rates.
Few full bloods exist now, and many autistic European settlers [mostly men]who migrated there in the 1800's screwed with the gene pool. Few white women were available or even present, and many autistic men left their homelands for the promise of a gorgeous native bride, a new life and escape the bullies.

Its the Canadians who have it bad


I don't think suicide rates necessarily are indicative of anything because it affects only a small subset of the population and, statistically, suicide rates are higher in north latitude countries probably on the basis of weather alone.

I think a good example is Finland. Pretty high on all the happiness surveys but one of the highest suicide rates in the world. I wouldn't mind living there though.


I'd like to live there too, especially now as I'm being affected by too much sun



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11 Feb 2013, 4:15 pm

Surfman wrote:
North eastern Europe has the consistently high suicide figures across many countries mainly ex soviet block.
In NZ Maori women [and men] are very high, Aboriginal Australians, and American Indians all suicide at very high rates.
Few full bloods exist now, and many autistic European settlers [mostly men]who migrated there in the 1800's screwed with the gene pool. Few white women were available or even present, and many autistic men left their homelands for the promise of a gorgeous native bride, a new life and escape the bullies.

Its the Canadians who have it bad


The permanent increases in suicides in New Zealand perfectly match the implementation of Rogernomics in 1984.