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09 Mar 2013, 3:52 pm

I can't for the life of me find information spelling out what the differences are between the two conditions.

Apparently hyperlexia is very often present in people with ASCs, and some professionals believe hyperlexia is an ASC itself.

Having read the blurb about hyperlexia it sounds just like AS/HFA and I can't see what the difference is, does anyone know?


http://www.autismkey.com/hyperlexia/

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Hyperlexia Symptoms
The severity, frequency, and grouping of the following symptoms will determine an actual diagnosis

• A precocious ability to read words far above what would be expected at a child’s age
• Child may appear gifted in some areas and extremely deficient in others
• Significant difficulty in understanding verbal language
• Difficulty in socializing and interacting appropriately with people
• Abnormal and awkward social skills
• Specific or unusual fears
• Fixation with letters or numbers
• Echolalia (Repetition or echoing of a word or phrase just spoken by another person)
• Memorization of sentence structures without understanding the meaning
• An intense need to keep routines, difficulty with transitions, ritualistic behavior

Additional Symptoms:
• Normal development until 18-24 months, then regression
• Listens selectively / appears to be deaf
• Strong auditory and visual memory
• Self-stimulatory behavior (hand flapping, rocking, jumping up and down)
• Think in concrete and literal terms, difficulty with abstract concepts
• Auditory, olfactory and / or tactile sensitivity
• Difficulty answering "Wh–" questions, such as "what," "where," "who," and "why"


...so you see there are sensory issues, socialising problems, literal understanding, need for routines and other autistic symptoms - just for hyperlexia alone. So how is it different to autism - or not autism?

Surely hyperlexia, according to the official traits list, is therefore just autism where the person has a splinter skill with reading early?


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09 Mar 2013, 5:05 pm

I believe hyperlexia is considered a learning disability, and it should be "the opposite of dislexia": good decoding abilities but poor comprehension.
According to wikipedia (I have read this somewhere else though, I just can't find it):

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Some experts denote three explicit types of hyperlexics.[5] Specifically:

Type 1: Neurotypical children that are very early readers.
Type 2: Children on the autism spectrum that demonstrate very early reading as a splinter skill.
Type 3: Very early readers who are not on the autism spectrum though there are some “autistic-like” traits and behaviours which gradually fade as the child gets older.

It seems like autistic traits are not necessarily a part of hyperlexia, although they are often comorbids.


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09 Mar 2013, 5:21 pm

Interesting. I never knew of hyperlexia until now, but now I'm wondering if that's what I had. Looking into it now and wouldn't mind more information.



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09 Mar 2013, 5:21 pm

Well I did learn to read around the age of 5 without being taught, and I do have trouble with using language verbally, like I can describe things much better in writing than I can verbally and sometimes its hard for me to understand or follow other people talking...or at least comprhehending it all can be difficult.

However my reading comprehension is fine as far as I know, so yeah not sure If I'd fall in that category or not. Not sure what specific differences there are it seems with hyperlexia one has to learn to read early which isn't required for HFA or AS diagnoses.


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09 Mar 2013, 5:35 pm

Thats like asking "whats the difference between sneezing, and having a cold?"

Sneezing is a symptom, and a having a cold is a disease.

Some folks with colds sneeze, some dont sneeze (but have other symptoms). And some folks with the flu, or with allergies, or who snort tobacco sneeze.


Some people on the spectrum are hyperlexic, and some are not.

Some folks who are hyperlexic are on the spectrum, and some are not.

Hyperlexia is symptom, and autism/aspergers is the 'condition' (or disease).

Sometimes the symptom goes with the disease, and sometimes not.


Not a whole lot to it.



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09 Mar 2013, 5:58 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Thats like asking "whats the difference between sneezing, and having a cold?"

Sneezing is a symptom, and a having a cold is a disease.

Some folks with colds sneeze, some dont sneeze (but have other symptoms). And some folks with the flu, or with allergies, or who snort tobacco sneeze.


Some people on the spectrum are hyperlexic, and some are not.

Some folks who are hyperlexic are on the spectrum, and some are not.

Hyperlexia is symptom, and autism/aspergers is the 'condition' (or disease).

Sometimes the symptom goes with the disease, and sometimes not.


Not a whole lot to it.


But if not everyone with hyperlexia has autism, what is it a symptom of? It cannot be a symptom of itself...and its not necessarily a symptom of autism.


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09 Mar 2013, 7:26 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Thats like asking "whats the difference between sneezing, and having a cold?"

Sneezing is a symptom, and a having a cold is a disease.

Some folks with colds sneeze, some dont sneeze (but have other symptoms). And some folks with the flu, or with allergies, or who snort tobacco sneeze.


Some people on the spectrum are hyperlexic, and some are not.

Some folks who are hyperlexic are on the spectrum, and some are not.

Hyperlexia is symptom, and autism/aspergers is the 'condition' (or disease).

Sometimes the symptom goes with the disease, and sometimes not.


Not a whole lot to it.


But if not everyone with hyperlexia has autism, what is it a symptom of? It cannot be a symptom of itself...and its not necessarily a symptom of autism.


What is 'sneezing' a symptom of ?
Its not necessarily a 'symptom' of anything except of having something in your nose that your body is trying to expel.

Like I said above there are atleast three different conditions the patient could have: allergy, flu, cold. Or none of the above.



Why do you assume that hyperlexia is always a symptom of anything? It could be just some nerdy trait of a person.

Its often found in spectrumites I suppose. But some spectrumites are illiterate.
Basically its a symptom of having a brain wired a little differently than most folks. Sometimes that difference goes along with autism, and sometimes not.

The only person ive ever met who was hyperlexic (that Im aware of the person being that) was a guy at a Mensa party who obviously wasnt a LFA. This was before I ever heard of aspergers and its possible that he was that'or HFA. But he just seemed like a nerdy eccentric NT brainiac to me. So I think of it as just a trait- a trait that may go with other diagnostic traits or not.



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09 Mar 2013, 7:44 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
Thats like asking "whats the difference between sneezing, and having a cold?"

Sneezing is a symptom, and a having a cold is a disease.

Some folks with colds sneeze, some dont sneeze (but have other symptoms). And some folks with the flu, or with allergies, or who snort tobacco sneeze.


Some people on the spectrum are hyperlexic, and some are not.

Some folks who are hyperlexic are on the spectrum, and some are not.

Hyperlexia is symptom, and autism/aspergers is the 'condition' (or disease).

Sometimes the symptom goes with the disease, and sometimes not.


Not a whole lot to it.


But if not everyone with hyperlexia has autism, what is it a symptom of? It cannot be a symptom of itself...and its not necessarily a symptom of autism.


What is 'sneezing' a symptom of ?
Its not necessarily a 'symptom' of anything except of having something in your nose that your body is trying to expel.

Like I said above there are atleast three different conditions the patient could have: allergy, flu, cold. Or none of the above.



Why do you assume that hyperlexia is always a symptom of anything? It could be just some nerdy trait of a person.

Its often found in spectrumites I suppose. But some spectrumites are illiterate.
Basically its a symptom of having a brain wired a little differently than most folks. Sometimes that difference goes along with autism, and sometimes not.

The only person ive ever met who was hyperlexic (that Im aware of the person being that) was a guy at a Mensa party who obviously wasnt a LFA. This was before I ever heard of aspergers and its possible that he was that'or HFA. But he just seemed like a nerdy eccentric NT brainiac to me. So I think of it as just a trait- a trait that may go with other diagnostic traits or not.


I meant maybe it is a disorder in itself and not a symptom, not that i think it is a symptom of anything.


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09 Mar 2013, 10:31 pm

I was reading chapter books by 5, and college level by fourth grade. I'm pretty damn sure I have Hyperlexia. Don't know if it's independent or not though. I'm also dyscaulculic.


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10 Mar 2013, 1:11 am

Hyperlexia is one of three communication learning disorders strongly associated with the spectrum. I followed the hyperlexic pattern of reading before speaking at age 4. Fascination with letters and numbers, and extremely fast ability to read, without being able to put into words in very many sentences what I just read, verbally. The same is true for me when I watch a movie or TV show. Or in explaining what I did yesterday in spoken language.

It's interesting because one can be diagnosed under the Gillberg criteria for Asperger's with a language delay, so there are likely many individuals with hyperlexian type learning patterns, that fit under that criteria that would not fit under it with current DSMIV or ICD10 diagnostic criteria.

Language delays are also common in Pragmatic language impairment PLI, so there is likely some with those symptoms of PLI that might not be diagnosed with Asperger's if they met the other criteria because of language development delay exclusion. Pragmatic language impairment per Wiki definition reads very much like an ASD, as a stand alone disorder. The new Social Communication Disorder in the DSM5 describes a pragmatic language impairment as the core issue of difficulty in social communication.

The most commonly associated communication learning disorder is Nonverbal Learning DIsorder, NLD. Research indicates that a majority of individuals diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome meet the symptoms for NLD. Individuals with NLD often have difficulties with Math and visual spatial tasks, and commonly score substantially higher in verbal IQ than performance IQ in standard intelligence testing. Brain lesions in the right hemisphere of the brain are also associated.

Conversely, Temple Grandhin has a type of neurodevelopmental problem in the left hemisphere of her brain, recently highlighted in Discover magazine, that the right hemisphere of her brain adapted to through her amazing visual spatial skills. Just another one of an almost unlimited number of potential underlying factors that result in meeting observed behavioral impairments to gain a diagnosis of some form of ASD.

Some of these underlying factors likely play a role in whether one navigates their life more through visual images and patterns instead of verbal thought. Some individuals with Nonverbal learning disorder are described as navigating the world more through verbal language than the visual spatial skills they often have difficulty with.

Because of the hyperlexia and pragmatic language impairment exclusions in language development delays, there are likely many individuals diagnosed with Autistic Disorder, sub-typed as HFA, or PDDNOS that would otherwise be diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome under the Gillberg Criteria because it allows for language development delays.

And none of these communication disorders seem to fully account for the difficulties in verbal spoken language in regressive autism, where the small children lose words after gaining them. Abnormal brain growth is found specific to male children with this type of regressive autism, so that may provide another clue to a brain difference as a potential underlying causal factor, for that described sub-group of ASD.

And this is just an area specific to language that does not take into account other varying factors like ADHD, Sensory Integration Disorder, Auditory processing disorder and so many other issues that often overlap and may work together in synergy in some cases resulting in the required observed behavioral impairments for a diagnosis of ASD


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10 Mar 2013, 1:37 am

Hyperlexia is autism.

Maybe autism is hyperlexia.

Is Hyperlexia a term for parents who are in denial that their kids are autistic?


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10 Mar 2013, 1:41 am

There are non autistic hyperlexics.


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10 Mar 2013, 1:46 am

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"But if not everyone with hyperlexia has autism, what is it a symptom of? It cannot be a symptom of itself...and its not necessarily a symptom of autism.
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10 Mar 2013, 7:05 am

Look, the reason I posted this is because if you look at the traits of hyperlexia they list like a list of autism traits, so I specifically meant, what are the missing traits that make hyperlexia not autism (I'm aware they are frequently co-morbid):

http://www.autismkey.com/hyperlexia/

Quote:
Hyperlexia Symptoms
The severity, frequency, and grouping of the following symptoms will determine an actual diagnosis

• A precocious ability to read words far above what would be expected at a child’s age
• Child may appear gifted in some areas and extremely deficient in others
• Significant difficulty in understanding verbal language
• Difficulty in socializing and interacting appropriately with people
• Abnormal and awkward social skills
• Specific or unusual fears
• Fixation with letters or numbers
• Echolalia (Repetition or echoing of a word or phrase just spoken by another person)
• Memorization of sentence structures without understanding the meaning
• An intense need to keep routines, difficulty with transitions, ritualistic behavior

Additional Symptoms:
• Normal development until 18-24 months, then regression
• Listens selectively / appears to be deaf
• Strong auditory and visual memory
• Self-stimulatory behavior (hand flapping, rocking, jumping up and down)
• Think in concrete and literal terms, difficulty with abstract concepts
• Auditory, olfactory and / or tactile sensitivity
• Difficulty answering "Wh–" questions, such as "what," "where," "who," and "why"


...so you see there are sensory issues, socialising problems, literal understanding, need for routines and other autistic symptoms - just for hyperlexia alone. So how is it different to autism - or not autism?

Surely hyperlexia, according to the official traits list, is therefore just autism where the person has a splinter skill with reading early?


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10 Mar 2013, 2:01 pm

whirlingmind wrote:
Look, the reason I posted this is because if you look at the traits of hyperlexia they list like a list of autism traits, so I specifically meant, what are the missing traits that make hyperlexia not autism (I'm aware they are frequently co-morbid):

http://www.autismkey.com/hyperlexia/

Quote:
Hyperlexia Symptoms
The severity, frequency, and grouping of the following symptoms will determine an actual diagnosis

• A precocious ability to read words far above what would be expected at a child’s age
• Child may appear gifted in some areas and extremely deficient in others
• Significant difficulty in understanding verbal language
• Difficulty in socializing and interacting appropriately with people
• Abnormal and awkward social skills
• Specific or unusual fears
• Fixation with letters or numbers
• Echolalia (Repetition or echoing of a word or phrase just spoken by another person)
• Memorization of sentence structures without understanding the meaning
• An intense need to keep routines, difficulty with transitions, ritualistic behavior

Additional Symptoms:
• Normal development until 18-24 months, then regression
• Listens selectively / appears to be deaf
• Strong auditory and visual memory
• Self-stimulatory behavior (hand flapping, rocking, jumping up and down)
• Think in concrete and literal terms, difficulty with abstract concepts
• Auditory, olfactory and / or tactile sensitivity
• Difficulty answering "Wh–" questions, such as "what," "where," "who," and "why"


...so you see there are sensory issues, socialising problems, literal understanding, need for routines and other autistic symptoms - just for hyperlexia alone. So how is it different to autism - or not autism?

Surely hyperlexia, according to the official traits list, is therefore just autism where the person has a splinter skill with reading early?


A lot of disorders have overlapping symptoms to Autism. In reality, they are likely related. For example a lot of people with Tourette's have SPD, but may or may not have the NVLD symptoms associated with Autism. We are really just slapping labels on random symptoms. Half of those symptoms would also fit Very Early Onset Schizophrenia, but then again, that's comorbid with Autism at pretty high rates.


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10 Mar 2013, 2:09 pm

I cannot see how any hyperlexic could be NT when they have what looks like the complete set of actual autism traits. Does anyone know if there are specific traits in autism that don't exist in hyperlexia - thereby differentiating them?


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