Pyongyang orders its rockets on alert to hit US bases

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China is quickly getting sick of the whole thing. They would probably seal off their border with NK too. There's not much financial incentive for them to claim a stake in the matter. They already have about a billion poverty stricken peasants they don't know what to do with.

They will keep on working on nukes while they demand more grain, just like they've done for the last 20 years. With a new famine brewing, we could try to make them run out of moves before they have a working warhead if we were to move to sever all humanitarian aid there. Then if they do attack as a last ditch effort, we can get troops to surrender for food like the Iraqis did in 1991. North Koreans have been known to slip through electric fences, evade machine gun towers, navigate minefields, and even do these things after escaping a concentration camp and journeying to the border, just to get food- sometimes just to catch a fish!

if only NK had oil under their land. then things might've turned out diffferently.

I doubt by much. It's not too bad of land natural resource wise. They have prospered in the past, but now they have a system that would still have 3rd and 4th world conditions even if they were given a place like Kuwait, Texas, or Alaska.

How? The problem isn't a lack of natural resources, the problem is insane leadership uninterested in the welfare of their citizens.

A state of war has existed for sixty years. Their one goal to overrun the south, and they can do that with conventional weapons. They have a large and expendable army.

South Korea brings the US into Chinese waters, and Japan is within striking distance. If the US should get involved, Taiwan and Japan become targets.

This would all be good from China's point of view.

Conventional bombing never worked on North Korea before, much less bombing the south with thousands of American prisoners.

The Chinese have some anti aircraft weapons they would like to test.

A land war in Asia, against a million man cult army. Besides that they can send another five million on foot, to occupy.

The last model in the area was the fall of South Viet Nam, and we did not reinvade.

Time to short South Korean Stocks.

Through a treaty of brotherly peace and friendship, the Chinese Navy would be all over their coast, out to Japanese waters.

I am sure the United Nations of Europe would send them a strongly worded letter.

China would say, we do not get involved in other countries domestic affairs. It is a Korean problem, let them settle it.

Taiwan would act defensively since China is always out for an opening to invade. Japan has a decent navy and air force that could defend against NK's aging and low budget equivalents rather well. NK has a large ground army and some tunnels for surprise attack, but they don't have the resources to sustain the fight. They may have artillery, small arms, ammo, uniforms, and a little gear, but food, medicine, and fuel are their Achilles heel. Also, if they did invade, they wouldn't have to go far south before cracks start to form in their mind regarding their indoctrination. Cars, clean beds, more condiments in the kitchen than theirs back home had food, internet/games, porn, riots throwing rocks and various burning stuff at the cops, religious literature, chocolate, alcohol, running water, air conditioners, news that just about everyone lives better off, leisure items, tons of worthless crap from China they wouldn't be able to identify, a wide variety of clothing, electric lights and electronics for decorative purposes (they have always lived with rolling blackouts if they had power at all), toilet paper would be baffling to just about all of them, the list goes on.

You talk about NK's poverty related issues, but the reality is it isnt faring any worse (in some ways better) than many of its capitalist counterparts. NK's problem isn't necessarilly Socialism but the horrible Juche ideology which creates a caste system based on the loyalty of family lines to Kim Il Jung.

Infant mortality, literacy, attended births and representation of women
http://koreantruth.awardspace.com/infmort.html
http://koreantruth.awardspace.com/lit.html
http://koreantruth.awardspace.com/birth.html
http://koreantruth.awardspace.com/women.html

FAQ's
http://koreantruth.awardspace.com/faq.html

North Korean Acheivements
http://koreantruth.awardspace.com/whatd ... eshed.html

Western lies exposed
http://koreantruth.awardspace.com/lies.html

Abolishment of private property, centralised economy, 5 year plans? Hmm...

Same s**t, different day.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juche#Ideology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juche#Prac ... pplication
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_North_Korea


Your ability to play fast and loose with sources appears to be intact, thomas81.

From The Korean Truth Project (the very link you posted)
http://koreantruth.awardspace.com/faq.html

"Q: Isn't the DPRK a dictatorship and Kim Jong Il the dictator?
A: No, the DPRK is a single-united-party constitutional democracy guaranteeing freedom of speech and assembly to all citizens."



I guess Amnesty, HRW, The UN and every single Wikipedia editor got it all wrong, then:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_righ ... orth_Korea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwalliso

Oh, and this (from the same link).

"Electoral turnout in the DPRK is virtually 100% compared to 60-70% in Western countries and even low as 20% in some extreme cases (UK local and Euro elections in some areas) and a 100% affirmative vote for the candidates."

Now... that brings back memories... From where... uhh... oh, now I remember!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/2331951.stm

Seriously, are there any totalitarian regimes that you *don't* support, thomas81?

It must be sad being an armchair Rambo in this day and age with no one to unleash you.

If they do, they will be promptly nuked.

The leadership of N. K. loves to bluster and make a fuss. They can be eliminated in under a week if the need arises.

ruveyn

North Korea is a large piece of private property. Prove me wrong. Kim Jong Un has all the characteristics of a land owner. You don't seem to oppose centralized economies when they are called corporations. Hmm...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_town

The real issue is you can't exactly expect widespread prosperity by today's standards in any place that's essentially cut off from the rest of the world. Every country relies on trade with others. The Soviet Union lasted as long as it did because it was an empire/hegemon. North Korea is an isolated country. Juche ideology sounds a lot like fascism.

Oh dear. Once again, someone on WP has fundamentally misunderstood the scientific method.

And there isn't even a single reference to North Korea in the Wiki link you posted...

But lets look at the constitution of North Korea:
Source: http://asiamatters.blogspot.dk/2009/10/ ... -2009.html

Article 19. The DPRK shall base itself on the socialist production relations and the foundation of a self-supporting national economy.

Article 20. In the DPRK, the means of production are owned by the state and social cooperative organizations.

Article 21. The property of the state shall be the property of all the people. There shall be no limit to the property which the state can own. All the natural resources of the country, railways, air transportation, telecommunications and postal organs, as well as major factories, enterprises, ports, and banks, shall be owned solely by the state. The state shall protect and develop on a priority basis the property of the state, which plays a leading role in the economic development of the country.

Article 22. The property of social cooperative organizations shall be the collective property of the working people belonging to the organizations concerned. Such property as land, farm machinery, ships, small- and medium-sized factories, and enterprises may be owned by social cooperative organizations.

The state shall protect the property of social cooperative organizations.

... So, what we have here is a constitution mandating a centralised and planned economy and an economy which is... centralised and planned (as per the links I previously posted).

Well, if it looks like a duck...

This. Not even Kim Jong-Un is deluded enough to actually believe he can beat the US.

I hope he tries. I would love to see Pynonyang turned into a parking lot.

ruveyn