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29 Mar 2013, 3:01 pm

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Abolishment of private property, centralised economy, 5 year plans? Hmm...

North Korea is a large piece of private property. Prove me wrong. Kim Jong Un has all the characteristics of a land owner. You don't seem to oppose centralized economies when they are called corporations. Hmm...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company_town

Oh dear. Once again, someone on WP has fundamentally misunderstood the scientific method.

And there isn't even a single reference to North Korea in the Wiki link you posted...

But lets look at the constitution of North Korea:
Source: http://asiamatters.blogspot.dk/2009/10/ ... -2009.html

Article 19. The DPRK shall base itself on the socialist production relations and the foundation of a self-supporting national economy.

Article 20. In the DPRK, the means of production are owned by the state and social cooperative organizations.

Article 21. The property of the state shall be the property of all the people. There shall be no limit to the property which the state can own. All the natural resources of the country, railways, air transportation, telecommunications and postal organs, as well as major factories, enterprises, ports, and banks, shall be owned solely by the state. The state shall protect and develop on a priority basis the property of the state, which plays a leading role in the economic development of the country.

Article 22. The property of social cooperative organizations shall be the collective property of the working people belonging to the organizations concerned. Such property as land, farm machinery, ships, small- and medium-sized factories, and enterprises may be owned by social cooperative organizations.

The state shall protect the property of social cooperative organizations.

... So, what we have here is a constitution mandating a centralised and planned economy and an economy which is... centralised and planned (as per the links I previously posted).

Well, if it looks like a duck...

I don't care about what their constitution says. In reality, North Korea is private property of the Kim dynasty. Kim Jong Un is an owner who subordinates and exploits just like the capitalist.

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29 Mar 2013, 3:08 pm

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I don't care about what their constitution says. In reality, North Korea is private property of the Kim dynasty. Kim Jong Un is an owner who subordinates and exploits just like the capitalist.

Proof?

See, *that's* the scientific approach...

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29 Mar 2013, 3:12 pm

If I was President, my foreign policy would be "you talk smack, you get smacked".
I'd nuke NK today.
One of many, many reasons I am not President.

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29 Mar 2013, 3:17 pm

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Proof?

See, *that's* the scientific approach...

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29 Mar 2013, 3:25 pm

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Proof?

See, *that's* the scientific approach...

... And what connection is there between capitalism and those two images?

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29 Mar 2013, 3:32 pm

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... And what connection is there between capitalism and those two images?

Centralized control over workplaces, taking everything the laborers on the property produce and giving the largest slice of the pie to yourself. Not a very hard connection to make.

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29 Mar 2013, 3:35 pm

thomas81 wrote:

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if only NK had oil under their land. then things might've turned out diffferently.

I doubt by much. It's not too bad of land natural resource wise. They have prospered in the past, but now they have a system that would still have 3rd and 4th world conditions even if they were given a place like Kuwait, Texas, or Alaska.

You talk about NK's poverty related issues, but the reality is it isnt faring any worse (in some ways better) than many of its capitalist counterparts. NK's problem isn't necessarilly Socialism but the horrible Juche ideology which creates a caste system based on the loyalty of family lines to Kim Il Jung.

Infant mortality, literacy, attended births and representation of women
http://koreantruth.awardspace.com/infmort.html
http://koreantruth.awardspace.com/lit.html
http://koreantruth.awardspace.com/birth.html
http://koreantruth.awardspace.com/women.html

FAQ's
http://koreantruth.awardspace.com/faq.html

North Korean Acheivements
http://koreantruth.awardspace.com/whatd ... eshed.html

Western lies exposed
http://koreantruth.awardspace.com/lies.html

That's why so many of them seek political asylum (or just plain hide out) in China, of all places... :roll:

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29 Mar 2013, 3:41 pm

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KJU: "Now, comrades, if you could please leave me in private..." :lol:

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29 Mar 2013, 3:43 pm

thomas81 wrote:

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if only NK had oil under their land. then things might've turned out diffferently.

"A stated above, the DPRK has 3 political parties:

Workers' Party of Korea
Korean Social Democratic Party
Chongdoist Chungu Party (Religious)

These parties are not opposition parties. They do not challenge Workers Party of Korea, but they are working side by side with it, and they share common goals. These two parties work hand in had with the main KWP in order to achieve its nation building and they do not confront KWP in achieving their objectives but instead via consultations."

That doesn't sound like "democracy" to me. The WPK obviously calls all the shots. :roll:

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29 Mar 2013, 3:54 pm

ruveyn wrote:

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sabre-rattling

they have neither the ability or the reason to do so

This. Not even Kim Jong-Un is deluded enough to actually believe he can beat the US.

I hope he tries. I would love to see Pynonyang turned into a parking lot.

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That's easy to say when you live in New Jersey, not South Korea or Japan. Hopefully the broader party and military would be smart enough to defy his orders. The US has the capacity to take down a long range ICBM headed for the US mainland, but would not be able to react in time to protect places closer to Pynonyang.

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29 Mar 2013, 4:05 pm

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... And what connection is there between capitalism and those two images?

Centralized control over workplaces, taking everything the laborers on the property produce and giving the largest slice of the pie to yourself. Not a very hard connection to make.

So, under capitalism, control of the workplace is centralized in one place in the country?

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29 Mar 2013, 4:13 pm

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If you are overly worried about nukes, Pyongyang could be bombed to flinders with conventional weapons.

The water supply could be interdicted by a few well placed bombs. The power stations could easily be taken out. The best time to do it is in the winter when it gets really cold.

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29 Mar 2013, 4:31 pm

GGPViper wrote:

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... And what connection is there between capitalism and those two images?

Centralized control over workplaces, taking everything the laborers on the property produce and giving the largest slice of the pie to yourself. Not a very hard connection to make.

So, under capitalism, control of the workplace is centralized in one place in the country?

its centralised between a few individuals, and the status quo maintained through usury, nepotism and convenient economic conditions.

No better than your average axis-of-evil dictatorship, when it boils down to it.

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29 Mar 2013, 4:57 pm

thomas81 wrote:

GGPViper wrote:

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... And what connection is there between capitalism and those two images?

Centralized control over workplaces, taking everything the laborers on the property produce and giving the largest slice of the pie to yourself. Not a very hard connection to make.

So, under capitalism, control of the workplace is centralized in one place in the country?

This is utterly ridiculous and blatantly false. Some of the greatest improvements in living standards in the world are due to the wealth generated by capitalism.

The Index of Economic Freedom (a common indicator of "capitalism") is strongly correlated with GDP, and GDP is strongly correlated with substantial quality of life indicators like life expectancy and infant mortality.

Hide in your cocoon all you want. The facts are on my side...

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29 Mar 2013, 5:10 pm

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thomas81 wrote:

GGPViper wrote:

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... And what connection is there between capitalism and those two images?

Centralized control over workplaces, taking everything the laborers on the property produce and giving the largest slice of the pie to yourself. Not a very hard connection to make.

So, under capitalism, control of the workplace is centralized in one place in the country?

Noam Chomsky destroyed this argument.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFxYyXGMfZM[/youtube]

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29 Mar 2013, 5:43 pm

RushKing wrote:

GGPViper wrote:

thomas81 wrote:

GGPViper wrote:

RushKing wrote:

GGPViper wrote:

... And what connection is there between capitalism and those two images?

Centralized control over workplaces, taking everything the laborers on the property produce and giving the largest slice of the pie to yourself. Not a very hard connection to make.

So, under capitalism, control of the workplace is centralized in one place in the country?

Noam Chomsky destroyed this argument.

[video link omitted]

This may come as a shocking surprise to you, RushKing, but not everyone on this planet blind follower of Noam Chomsky.

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