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02 Apr 2013, 1:23 am

I agree with pretty much all of this:
http://jezebel.com/5992479/if-i-admit-t ... g-prophecy

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02 Apr 2013, 5:29 am

That person's writing style makes me want to punch them in the face, even the parts I might agree with. It's a great example of how to turn off a potentially receptive audience through irritating message delivery, you could cut the condescension in that piece with a knife, that smug cutesy BS is the worst.

If I was actually going to argue with that person, I would point out that if misandry is a self fulfilling prophecy, so is misogyny, not in the sense that it didn't exist until it was harped upon, but in the sense that accusing a group of unwitting complacency in oppressive policy and beating them over the head is not an effective means of persuasion. I could agree completely with the message of feminism, but if I'm approached as if I'm some antebellum slave owner simply because I was born male and don't apologize for it, I'm going to default to f*ck you on general principal.

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02 Apr 2013, 6:03 am

I also didn't like the writing style. So much anger directed at the reader.

I also don't know anyone personally who hates men or who hates women. Though there is obviously a lot of violence against women around the world by men, while most violence against men is done by their fellow men.

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02 Apr 2013, 7:54 am

Dox47 wrote:

It's a great example of how to turn off a potentially receptive audience through irritating message delivery,

That seemeth to be the purpose behind a lot of these articles.

Or, just to raise the spirits of the wenches, and make them feel justified about misandry.

"Some of us hate individual men, and some of us hate men in general. But, don't respond to it, men, or you're turning misandry into a self-fulfilling prophecy."

Why should a man even care about misandry?

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02 Apr 2013, 9:36 am

Dox47 wrote:

That person's writing style makes me want to punch them in the face, even the parts I might agree with.

^this, I could hardly make it through, one thing is for certain the author certainly is trying to 'stir the pot.'

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02 Apr 2013, 9:45 am

So hating all men is ok?

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02 Apr 2013, 9:49 am

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So hating all men is ok?

From how i understood it the point was hating all individual men is ok, but hating men in general isn't though the author wouldn't really care if someone did because they must have a justified reason for their hate. Also while all that is ok, men shouldn't complain about being hated as a group or else they are creating it them self even though the author acknowledged that hate does actually exist.

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02 Apr 2013, 10:00 am

Dox47 wrote:

... I could agree completely with the message of feminism, but if I'm approached as if I'm some antebellum slave owner simply because I was born male and don't apologize for it, I'm going to default to f*ck you on general principal.

Well said.

I would support feminism more openly if feminists (of BOTH sexes) would not approach me as if I were:

The sole reason that women can not find a job, get a raise, or earn a promotion in a free-market economy.
The bearer of a weapon of sexual assault, who is only too willing to use it at every opportunity.
A pervert, a pedophile, a sociopath, or any combination thereof.
A whining, narcissistic, spineless wimp looking for a surrogate mother.
A violent, alcoholic, drug-using psychopath looking for his next victim.
A "player" who uses, abuses, and then kicks women to the curb without the slightest twinge of conscience.

I could cite similar issues I've have with the NAACP, the Jewish Defense League, and several other groups representing interests of gender, ethnicity, culture, and religion.

So I no longer get involved in causes, especially causes that don't benefit me directly - except for serving meals at the local mission. Those people seem to appreciate kindness more than any other people I've ever met.

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02 Apr 2013, 10:06 am

Sweetleaf wrote:

AspieOtaku wrote:

So hating all men is ok?

Logic 101, sweetie. Hating all individual men is exactly the same as hating men in general.

That is basic logic. But don't bother your sweet little head about that.

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02 Apr 2013, 10:07 am

Sweetleaf wrote:

AspieOtaku wrote:

So hating all men is ok?

So basicly we men should just accept being hated and not respond to it and think of ourselves as subhuman, and worthless pieces of meat to toss aside like expired food? I call sexist propaganda but i guess sexism against men doesnt exist and if it does its ok and nothing should be done about it.

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02 Apr 2013, 10:09 am

AspieOtaku wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

AspieOtaku wrote:

So hating all men is ok?

Watch it, guys! This thread may soon get locked and deleted (and we will be blamed) if we all don't tone it down a bit!

But maybe that's what they want ...

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02 Apr 2013, 10:15 am

AspieOtaku wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

AspieOtaku wrote:

So hating all men is ok?

Sexism against men is propagated by the patriarchy in order to repress women. Or something like that.

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02 Apr 2013, 10:20 am

Dox47 wrote:

Took the words right out of my mouth. What's even worse is that people like that like to dismiss their own self righteous obnoxiousness by writing it off as mere disagreement. Let's face it, the way you go about expressing your opinion is what turns people off more than the opinion itself.

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02 Apr 2013, 10:24 am

Fnord wrote:

AspieOtaku wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

AspieOtaku wrote:

So hating all men is ok?

Watch it, guys! This thread may soon get locked and deleted (and we will be blamed) if we all don't tone it down a bit!

But maybe that's what they want ...

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02 Apr 2013, 10:31 am

ruveyn wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

AspieOtaku wrote:

So hating all men is ok?

Logic 101, sweetie. Hating all individual men is exactly the same as hating men in general.

That is basic logic. But don't bother your sweet little head about that.

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Good god, I didn't think you were that dense

....you do realize it is the article not me that attempts to distingish between hating individual men in general and just hating men in general right? That is part of why the article is so irritating.

It's funny because you're trying to call me out on illogicality when you agree with my point....troll much?

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02 Apr 2013, 10:32 am

AspieOtaku wrote:

Sweetleaf wrote:

AspieOtaku wrote:

So hating all men is ok?

It seems that is what the article implies yes, but I certainly don't agree with it and don't see it as ok.

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