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29 Apr 2013, 5:15 am

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I've been discussing this matter with a few fellow mums of girls with Aspergers and we've been swapping some great suggestions. But, I've now hit a brick wall and hope some of you might be able to help.

Hair combing is a source of major trauma every morning. My daughter has wavy/curly hair, but she has just few tangles. I use a leave-in conditioner on her hair and comb it with a tangle teezer, when it's wet, so that helps a lot. But, the good condition of her hair doesn't seem to matter. The trauma starts from the moment I touch her. I know, you're supposed to comb hair by starting at the bottom. So, I start off by attempting to gather the hair together in one hand, so I can hold it, to comb the ends first, then work my way up. Her hair is just past shoulder length, so some hair might be under her collar. Very gently, I'll lift the hair out and gather it together. But, just this action is enough to set her off. She screams that I'm pulling and hurting, when, honestly, I couldn't be more gentle.

I bought some macadamia nut oil and my intention was to gather the hair, smooth some oil through and leave it for a few minutes, before attempting to comb it. But, we never even got to the stage of getting the hair together before she was screaming the place down. Eventually I got her hair combed, with more screams, tears and protests. Then I put a hairband on her hair and, within 2 mins, she'd removed it. It's quite today windy (it's Scotland, it's nearly always windy), so I would have liked to tie her hair back in a ponytail, but I wouldn't even dream of attempting it today. I seldom do try to tie it back as, even if I do manage to get it done, she undoes everything by the time she's going into school. So, this morning, when she got to school, her hair was all over her face. She looks like I've not even bothered, when that's so far from the truth that I could cry.

I understand that light touch might be worse for her than a more firm touch, but I don't think it seems to matter to her what I do. I've tried being a bit firmer, but this has the same effect. I'm sorely tempted to take her to the hairdresser to get it cut off. But, she loves her hair to be long, my Mum is furious at the suggestion and I like how it looks too. I'm not even sure if this would help, as I'd still need to touch her hair and she doesn't seem to be traumatised because of the length of the hair, other than the fact that it gets under her collar and I need to fish it out. The other thing is that she's a tomboy, which I'm fine with. But, other people aren't so open minded. If she got her hair cut off, that would be one more thing for them to tease her at school about, I'm sure of that.

I'd be grateful for any advice. Thanks.


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29 Apr 2013, 5:20 am

I hated hair-combing when I was a kid, and still never comb my hair. If having messy hair doesn't bother her, why don't you just let it be? Aspie kids (and adults for that matter) aren't usually that interested in appearance.



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29 Apr 2013, 5:41 am

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I hated hair-combing when I was a kid, and still never comb my hair. If having messy hair doesn't bother her, why don't you just let it be? Aspie kids (and adults for that matter) aren't usually that interested in appearance.
If I didn't comb it, she wouldn't just look messy; I would be reported to social services. It's one thing to be not that interested in appearance but yet another to go out looking like you've escaped from the orangutan enclosure, at the zoo.


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29 Apr 2013, 6:06 am

I use lots of conditioner, detabgling spray and a tangle teezer. The one thing that makes a difference though is whn its been trimmed, I did it recently and I forget how much easier it is after trimming, and it looks so much nicer too. My daughter has long straight hair but its very fine hair. She rubs her head on things so it gets very fuzzy at the front right by the roots, its a nightmare to get her to sit still enough to brush it.



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29 Apr 2013, 6:44 am

Mummy_of_Peanut wrote:
But, just this action is enough to set her off. She screams that I'm pulling and hurting, when, honestly, I couldn't be more gentle.


I get how frustrating it must be that she doesn't get that it's not your fault, but think about what she wants to communicate with that. It hurts, and obviously it still feels like you're pulling whether you do it or not.
Think out a cut/style that would make her look polished enough for you while needing as little maintenance as possible for both of your sakes, something shorter or that's meant to look a bit messy.
The only brush that doesn't hurt at all for me is the Tangle Teezer
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It isn't a comb. It's a brush that's basically magic.



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29 Apr 2013, 6:45 am

With curly, wavy hair you can often get away with combing it with fingers, depending on the size of the curl, poofy hair can hide quite a bit of imperfections. (Think 1980's hair without the perm, and not quite as poofy)

My son hates a comb or brush. I can get away with a brush sometimes, but not on a daily basis. I have had to spend a great deal of effort in desensitizing him to finger combing, even. When he was very little I would slowly touch his hair for a little bit, just a lock at a time, and I eventually desensitized him to where I can touch his hair without him reacting to it. (It evolved from crying to, telling me it hurt, to just looking at me like I was doing something weird, to no reaction) We use a combo shampoo-conditioner for kids that works pretty well for his hair, but it is a boy style.

I don't know how sensitive your child is, but if she can tolerate finger combing, I would go with that. It does work for longer hair, and it might be less a teasing target than a short cut.

P.S --Your daughter reminds me of me as a girl, I was also a tomboy with long hair, who did not care for combing --- once you get her desensitized a bit, maybe try a different brush (no comb). They make brushes that are really big with nylon bristles with balls on the end that are attached to a soft surface, on the brush like a shock absorber) Later I will look for a link to a picture) They look ridiculous, like you would use it for a horse mane for an overly sensitive horse, but I tolerate it well, and my son can bear it sometimes.



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29 Apr 2013, 6:56 am

ASDMommyASDKid wrote:
They make brushes that are really big with nylon bristles with balls on the end that are attached to a soft surface, on the brush like a shock absorber) Later I will look for a link to a picture) They look ridiculous, like you would use it for a horse mane for an overly sensitive horse, but I tolerate it well, and my son can bear it sometimes.


That's what I used before I got tangle teezer. Not to sound like a salesperson, but tangle teezer is seriously the only brush that haven't hurt. It's based on the same mechanics but better.



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29 Apr 2013, 6:58 am

ASDMommyASDKid wrote:
With curly, wavy hair you can often get away with combing it with fingers, depending on the size of the curl, poofy hair can hide quite a bit of imperfections. (Think 1980's hair without the perm, and not quite as poofy)

My son hates a comb or brush. I can get away with a brush sometimes, but not on a daily basis. I have had to spend a great deal of effort in desensitizing him to finger combing, even. When he was very little I would slowly touch his hair for a little bit, just a lock at a time, and I eventually desensitized him to where I can touch his hair without him reacting to it. (It evolved from crying to, telling me it hurt, to just looking at me like I was doing something weird, to no reaction) We use a combo shampoo-conditioner for kids that works pretty well for his hair, but it is a boy style.

I don't know how sensitive your child is, but if she can tolerate finger combing, I would go with that. It does work for longer hair, and it might be less a teasing target than a short cut.

P.S --Your daughter reminds me of me as a girl, I was also a tomboy with long hair, who did not care for combing --- once you get her desensitized a bit, maybe try a different brush (no comb). They make brushes that are really big with nylon bristles with balls on the end that are attached to a soft surface, on the brush like a shock absorber) Later I will look for a link to a picture) They look ridiculous, like you would use it for a horse mane for an overly sensitive horse, but I tolerate it well, and my son can bear it sometimes.
I have really curly hair, much more than my daughter's and I don't use a comb at all, I only finger comb, with wet hands. But, she's not even tolerating me touching her hair with my hands, like when I'm just sweeping a few strands out from under her collar, or gathering it together, in preparation for combing the ends. It's really upsetting, when I know I can't be any gentler than I am already. :cry:


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29 Apr 2013, 7:04 am

Anomiel wrote:
Mummy_of_Peanut wrote:
But, just this action is enough to set her off. She screams that I'm pulling and hurting, when, honestly, I couldn't be more gentle.


I get how frustrating it must be that she doesn't get that it's not your fault, but think about what she wants to communicate with that. It hurts, and obviously it still feels like you're pulling whether you do it or not.
Think out a cut/style that would make her look polished enough for you while needing as little maintenance as possible for both of your sakes, something shorter or that's meant to look a bit messy.
The only brush that doesn't hurt at all for me is the Tangle Teezer
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It isn't a comb. It's a brush that's basically magic.
I use a tangle teezer on her hair, after it has been washed and it's soaking wet. I put leave-in conditioner on it and the tangle teezer goes through amazingly well. I tried using the tangle teezer on dry and slightly damp hair and she nearly hit the roof. I only wash her hair twice a week. I would really need to completely soak, condition and blowdry her hair every morning, which has it's own problems. :roll:


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29 Apr 2013, 7:10 am

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I use lots of conditioner, detabgling spray and a tangle teezer. The one thing that makes a difference though is whn its been trimmed, I did it recently and I forget how much easier it is after trimming, and it looks so much nicer too. My daughter has long straight hair but its very fine hair. She rubs her head on things so it gets very fuzzy at the front right by the roots, its a nightmare to get her to sit still enough to brush it.
Her hair is actually quite smooth and I would not call it tuggy at all. I use a leave-in conditioner and, although her hair is curly, the curls are smooth and silky (not like mine which is semi-Afro and coarse). It's trimmed quite often, as I do it myself. Unbelievably, she's fine with cutting, once the combing is out of the way. You would think it would be easy do deal with and it would be if she didn't have these sensory issues. I think this is beginning to send me a bit loopy.


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29 Apr 2013, 7:59 am

Yeah, you'll have to go slow. I know that is frustrating. How does she do, with letting you pet her hair? That is how I had to start because he would freak when I would move his hair. Petting is gentler, because she won't feel her hair move at the base, so much, but yet it desensitizes. I started with small areas and worked to larger ones. I know it won't help in grooming, so much as help desensitize.



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29 Apr 2013, 8:07 am

ASDMommyASDKid wrote:
Yeah, you'll have to go slow. I know that is frustrating. How does she do, with letting you pet her hair? That is how I had to start because he would freak when I would move his hair. Petting is gentler, because she won't feel her hair move at the base, so much, but yet it desensitizes. I started with small areas and worked to larger ones. I know it won't help in grooming, so much as help desensitize.
It's really odd. If she has trouble sleeping, she asks me to stroke her hair and would have me doing that all night. It's just when sorting hair comes into the picture that she freaks out. I was at a parenting course last week, about sensory issues and we were advised to try a head massage. I mentioned this to her and she has allowed me to do that and enjoys it, but as soon as my fingers go through her hair (God forbid I get them caught between two hairs that are tangled together), all hell breaks loose. I've been on Facebook and asked a local group about occupational therapy services (for help with this as well as diet, clothing, etc) and have been advised what to do about accessing it.


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29 Apr 2013, 8:19 am

My almost-five year old son and I both have sensory issues, especially with hair. The things that have helped are:

1. Let her be in control of the process as much as possible. Try doing it in front of the mirror so she can see. Point out interesting stuff about her hair in the mirror. Teach her to comb her hair with her fingers (she might take the job over successfully, in time). My son and I will both panic if we feel out of control of something touching us.

2. Explain in great detail (the more the better) what the purpose and goal of fixing her hair is. Explain about oil distribution from scalp to tips, the history of hair care, society's expectations and the pros and cons of them, differences for males and females, what her school expects, etc. "Looking nice" is probably meaningless, but "people will see your hair fixed this way and they will respect that you took the time to do this" will help her understand. Then answer questions about WHY people care about appearance, etc. The more specific you can be the more she will be able to understand. Or if she has a different way of thinking adapt this to that. Basically if you can help her understand the point AND make it interesting she will forget she hates it and become involved in the process.

3. Show her educational videos (youtube is great for this) on how hair works, what it's comprised of, exotic hairstyles, etc.

4. Make her hair a little shorter to make it easier. I know my hair doesn't tangle if it's just above shoulder length. Be careful about "shocking" her with any major changes (a mirror helps during hair cuts too). My mom cut six inches off my hair when I was five, and it took me a decade to get over it (not constant grieving or anything lol, but I kept bring it up about the lost potential of my hair growth).

5. Finger comb her hair while she's involved in something else, like a TV show, a video game, breakfast, whatever she likes and finds distracting.

6. Bribe her. You won't have to do it forever, but it can help her get past something that troubles her. I have started paying my son a quarter every time he puts his shoes on when I ask him to, and it's the only thing that has made him willing to touch them.

Anyway, just a few ideas. Everyone is different, but they might be worth a try. It's awful having your child act like you're killing them when you're only trying to help.



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29 Apr 2013, 8:40 am

I just read where you said you already keep it trimmed, so ignore that advice.

My other son has really curly hair, and all I do is wash it lightly once a week and then lightly dampen it in the mornings and kind of "scrunch" it and so far that seems to be enough. You have more experience with curly hair than I do though, since mine is wavy. I wouldn't worry about washing it or doing more than absolutely necessary. Looking presentable is the only thing that really matters at this point. I used to feel so guilty that I didn't wash my kids hair more often, until I realized that there was no point in torturing all of us when no one could tell anyway.

I hope you find a solution for this. I'm still trying to figure out the shampoo thing with my son. I might take my own mirror advice since I just realized I never tried that.



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29 Apr 2013, 9:25 am

A couple thoughts:
You could give her a really cute little girl cut, like where they leave the front longer but cut the back real short. If it were a stylish short cut it wouldn't look so boyish and you could probably get away with hardly combing/brushing it at all.

If you leave it long, will she tolerate a french braid or braids? I remember as a girl in the summertime my sister would braid my long hair fairly tightly (not quite cornrows but close) and I would leave it that way for a few days at a time.

With my DS and haircuts we finally found a formula that works, he watches Minecraft videos on the iPad while the hairdresser trims his hair (as short as we can get it). It's still a little bit of difficulty as the little hairs are so itchy but while he is distracted by the video (it's also the only time I let him watch Minecraft videos on Youtube) she can get his hair done pretty quickly. So maybe there is something special she can watch on the computer or the TV that is reserved for only when you are doing her hair? For it to be effective, you probably need to make it something that she ONLY gets to see/do at hair combing time.



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29 Apr 2013, 9:43 am

Mummy_of_Peanut wrote:
Hi Everyone

I've been discussing this matter with a few fellow mums of girls with Aspergers and we've been swapping some great suggestions. But, I've now hit a brick wall and hope some of you might be able to help.

Hair combing is a source of major trauma every morning. My daughter has wavy/curly hair, but she has just few tangles. I use a leave-in conditioner on her hair and comb it with a tangle teezer, when it's wet, so that helps a lot. But, the good condition of her hair doesn't seem to matter. The trauma starts from the moment I touch her. I know, you're supposed to comb hair by starting at the bottom. So, I start off by attempting to gather the hair together in one hand, so I can hold it, to comb the ends first, then work my way up. Her hair is just past shoulder length, so some hair might be under her collar. Very gently, I'll lift the hair out and gather it together. But, just this action is enough to set her off. She screams that I'm pulling and hurting, when, honestly, I couldn't be more gentle.

I bought some macadamia nut oil and my intention was to gather the hair, smooth some oil through and leave it for a few minutes, before attempting to comb it. But, we never even got to the stage of getting the hair together before she was screaming the place down. Eventually I got her hair combed, with more screams, tears and protests. Then I put a hairband on her hair and, within 2 mins, she'd removed it. It's quite today windy (it's Scotland, it's nearly always windy), so I would have liked to tie her hair back in a ponytail, but I wouldn't even dream of attempting it today. I seldom do try to tie it back as, even if I do manage to get it done, she undoes everything by the time she's going into school. So, this morning, when she got to school, her hair was all over her face. She looks like I've not even bothered, when that's so far from the truth that I could cry.

I understand that light touch might be worse for her than a more firm touch, but I don't think it seems to matter to her what I do. I've tried being a bit firmer, but this has the same effect. I'm sorely tempted to take her to the hairdresser to get it cut off. But, she loves her hair to be long, my Mum is furious at the suggestion and I like how it looks too. I'm not even sure if this would help, as I'd still need to touch her hair and she doesn't seem to be traumatised because of the length of the hair, other than the fact that it gets under her collar and I need to fish it out. The other thing is that she's a tomboy, which I'm fine with. But, other people aren't so open minded. If she got her hair cut off, that would be one more thing for them to tease her at school about, I'm sure of that.

I'd be grateful for any advice. Thanks.


It sounds like she's screaming in anticipation of what's to come. What about asking her to gather the hair and pass it to you so that you can put the macadamia oil in and then start combing. If she feels in control it might make a difference. If it's really traumatic for her and she can't get past it, perhaps the only option is to cut her hair much shorter until she outgrows this phase (which she will). Perhaps if your daughter likes having long hair, if she understands that this level of problem will mean she has to have it cut, she also might start behaving more calmly.


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