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When someone hurts you, which do you think is more likely?
They did it out of deliberate malice. 13%  13%  [ 4 ]
They did it out of pure stupidity. 25%  25%  [ 8 ]
They did it for some other reason (Please explain). 19%  19%  [ 6 ]
It doesn't matter why they hurt me. 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
Those who hurt me are both stupid and malicious. 38%  38%  [ 12 ]
Total votes : 32

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13 May 2013, 2:14 pm

Hanlon's Razor is an eponymous adage that allows the elimination of unlikely explanations for a phenomenon. It reads:

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

This particular form is attributed to a Robert J. Hanlon. However, earlier utterances that convey the same basic idea are known.

A similar quotation appears in Robert A. Heinlein's 1941 short story "Logic of Empire":

"You have attributed conditions to villainy that simply result from stupidity."

Yet another similar epigram has been widely attributed to Napoleon Bonaparte:

"Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence."

My personal take on this is:

"Get over it - they're too stupid to be mean."

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So, which do you think is the primary motivation when someone does or says something that injures you emotionally or physically? Are they malicious or stupid? Both? Neither? Something else?



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13 May 2013, 2:22 pm

The end result is the same. The fact that it may have been done inadvertently doesn't lessen the impact.



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13 May 2013, 2:26 pm

To better understand hurt in this case it would help to define it.

Hurt as in;
-physical harm to one's person
-attacking one's assets
-damaging one's personal or professional reputation

Or,
-hurting ones little feelings.


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13 May 2013, 3:19 pm

I am a very mind-my-own-business, live-and-let-live person. There's no good reason for anyone to want to harm me. Also, I hold a grudge longer than anyone I know. So, if someone harms me with malicious intent, that person has done something stupid.

stupid and malicious - possible
just stupid - possible
just malicious - not possible



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13 May 2013, 5:59 pm

YippySkippy wrote:
I am a very mind-my-own-business, live-and-let-live person. There's no good reason for anyone to want to harm me. Also, I hold a grudge longer than anyone I know. So, if someone harms me with malicious intent, that person has done something stupid.

stupid and malicious - possible
just stupid - possible
just malicious - not possible


Hell, I hold grudges against people back in junior high - over thirty years ago!

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13 May 2013, 6:20 pm

Depends on the situation. More often than not I would pick stupidity or ignorance. I don't consider stupidity to be the same thing as ignorance. Sometimes the person in question couldn't possibly know something no matter how smart s/he is.

The three most common explanations I think of are:

1. Ignorance
2. Stupidity
3. Malice

Malice is the least common. I rarely assume anything is said or done with malice. Maybe there are sometimes when I should assume malicious intent and I don't because I'm too far on the other extreme.



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13 May 2013, 6:30 pm

Stubborn and unyielding stupid is worse than open malice.



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13 May 2013, 7:08 pm

Raptor wrote:
To better understand hurt in this case it would help to define it.

Hurt as in;
-physical harm to one's person
-attacking one's assets
-damaging one's personal or professional reputation

Or,
-hurting ones little feelings.

From the OP:

Fnord wrote:
So, which do you think is the primary motivation when someone does or says something that injures you emotionally or physically? Are they malicious or stupid? Both? Neither? Something else?

I'd say that attacking someone's assets or damaging their personal or professional reputation just might hurt their feelings, as well.



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13 May 2013, 8:20 pm

I meant hurting their feelings alone without real damage.


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13 May 2013, 8:22 pm

Raptor wrote:
I meant hurting their feelings alone without real damage.


Some of my most painful memories were of cruel words directed at me.

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13 May 2013, 8:28 pm

Yeah well you know what they say about stix-n-stones.
Learn it and live by it.


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13 May 2013, 10:11 pm

I place meanies in the same category as my yahoo neighbor's barking slavering dogs- they don't really know any better than to be the stinky meanies they are. if they did know better, chances are they would not bother with me at all.



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13 May 2013, 10:49 pm

Raptor wrote:
Yeah well you know what they say about stix-n-stones.
Learn it and live by it.


Easier said than done.

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14 May 2013, 12:09 am

Both stupidity and malice might be too strong words to describe what I perceive to be the motivation of people who hurt me. Unless we're talking about actual sociopaths or their ilk then I tend to think it's more likely that people are simply not thinking (not the same thing as stupidity IMO) or don't care enough about how their actions will affect me. I could buy into a modified version of the statement: "Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity or thoughtlessness". Generally I find that most people are too tied up thinking about themselves to consider how their actions will affect others or to actively seek to hurt others.



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14 May 2013, 2:00 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Some of my most painful memories were of cruel words directed at me.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


You're a Buffy fan, IIRC? I've been told that my attitude towards people who try and hurt me with insults is perfectly explained by Faith when she decks Willow after a "the reason you suck" speech; something about the punch having the same intention, only being more efficient.


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14 May 2013, 2:48 am

I think you know the answer to this: we've been bullyied in school, so that was with malicious intent. However, we also have hurt someone else's feelings because of things we say that we don't realise that are going to hurt other people, because of being aspie. So the answer is: it depends.