FL teen "sex criminal" for consensual relationship

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20 May 2013, 8:25 pm

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www.huffingtonpost.com/blackberry/p.html?id=3302713

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A Florida teenager faces criminal charges stemming from her relationship with another young female student.

Kaitlyn Hunt, 18, faces two felony counts of "lewd and lascivious battery on a child 12 to 16" after the parents of her 15-year-old girlfriend pressed charges earlier this year, according to Examiner."

These people never came to us as parents, never tried to speak to us... and tell us they had a problem with the girls dating," Kaitlyn Hunt's mother, Kelley Hunt-Smith, wrote in an statement posted to Facebook. "...They were out to destroy my daughter. [They] feel like my daughter 'made' their daughter gay."

According to Hunt-Smith, police arrived at the family's home Feb. 16 and put her daughter in handcuffs. Local news website TCPalm.com listed Kaitlyn Hunt's arrest for "lewd and lascivious battery" on Feb. 18, and the girl's mug shot is still easily accessible on the Internet.

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Wow, the U.S. really is such a terrible country. :/ A horrid country with concentration camps, a president who sends out assassins, Monsanto people at top government positions, and a place where the police legally can give you cavity searches for the mere suspicion of absolutely *any* crime... and, of course, imprisoning youths for having been in love. "The land of the free", indeed.... :roll:

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20 May 2013, 8:36 pm

Welcome to the New World Order and the socialist police state once called America. :cry:
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20 May 2013, 8:46 pm

Surely people are more free now to engage in homosexual relations than ever before?

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20 May 2013, 8:53 pm

If the parents of the older girl knew that the girls were having sex, and knew what the laws of their state were, they knew that the parents could take that action.

Some parents have taken that same action when their daughters, fourteen to fifteen years old were having sex with boys, serious boyfriends or otherwise.

Though the parents of Kaitlyn feel that she was targeted for being a lesbian, did they know that she was LEGALLY 'abusing a child'?
For instance,many parents feel that smoking pot is all right, no big deal, but if it is illegal in your area, allowing your child to smoke it, or have it in his/her possession is not going to make any difference to the police.

If a law seems unfair, take the steps to change it. Knowing what is going on with someone else's child when those parents may not know, is not right.

She said that the parents knew, but it sounds like they were not accepting it, and were fighting it tooth and nail. Would this be seen as unfair if Kaitlyn were a boy, and every other aspect of the story were the same?

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20 May 2013, 9:12 pm

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Welcome to the New World Order and the socialist police state once called America. :cry:

Alas, freedom is dead. It is no more.
I weep for those who have fought and died for our freedoms. They are gone, but some of us still remember them and their sacrifices.

The Obama administration is in no way socialist. Socialism is a movement for the society, where the power lies in the hands of the people. It also stands for equality, justice and eradication of class. Basically, socialism is the opposite of what the U.S. is. Unfortunately, it also just is a utopian dream, and while some attempts at socialist states have been reasonably successful, it will always just remain an ideal that cannot ever be fully achieved.

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Would this be seen as unfair if Kaitlyn were a boy, and every other aspect of the story were the same?

Uhh... yes...? Obviously it would be exactly as unfair. I understand that you well may have asked that rhetorically, though, since I am aware that many, if not even most people, would not react the same way if she was male. Humans are, after all, generally very hypocritical beings.

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20 May 2013, 9:19 pm

A sexual predator deserves no better treatment than a prison sentence and a lifetime as a registered sex offender. An 18-year old is an adult; a 15-year old is a child. Sex between them - consensual or not - is a crime. Deal with it!

If the offender were a man, and the victim were a girl, then you can bet that WP would be in an uproar in every forum. There should be no special favor given to a predator just because she's a woman - she deserves the same treatment given to a man who commits the same crime.

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20 May 2013, 9:35 pm

It also is illegal to keep your dog unleashed, and may warrant a cavity search on you if the jailkeepers feel like it. Deal with it!

In the U.S., it also is illegal to play DVD's that you have bought on Linux, or rip Blu-rays you have bought, to play them on Linux (since playing the product you've bought is impossible on Linux, otherwise). And watch out letting anyone know, or the "authorities" may rape you with a few cavity searches. Deal with it!

Anything else that everyone should just deal with, because you say so...?

And no, "everyone" on Wrong Planet would not be in an uproar over the situation you describe. Clearly you would, though...? Also, she actually even was seventeen when the relationship started, but I bet you couldn't even give a rat's ass about that.

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20 May 2013, 9:52 pm

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well, according to this: "Kaitlyn Hunt is a bright young girl who was involved in a consensual, same-sex relationship while both she and her partner were minors."
So in which case, I suppose it isn't as simplistic as that, considering also the same-sex relationship (I personally believe the 15 year old parents are imbeciles regardless).

I'd tend to agree that because she is a girl, it looks like she is getting it easier, but take into account that same-sex relationship is an issue here, I wouldn't be surprised that the lesbian relationship is what drives the imbecile parents mad.

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20 May 2013, 10:01 pm

I'm pro-sex, pro-respect, pro-adventure, pro-good communication which ping pongs back and forth, pro a lot of things.

I'm against bullying and trickery and pressure, acquaintance rape is bad stuff and is relatively common. More people are abused by someone they know than by a stranger, and one conclusion, parents who really emphasize stranger danger may he doing their child a disservice.

If one person is 18 and the other 17, probably not any greater chance that it's an abusive relationship than any other. If it's a bigger age gap, at a certain point the presumption might tilt in the direction that it probably is an abusive relationship.

PS Except for the adult discussion board, WP is used by both teenagers and adults. If someone identifies himself or herself under 18 and is asking for specific advice, that becomes tricky. Maybe just general advice and then referring to positive books (and if the underage person doesn't understand this, then maybe he or she isn't as mature as they think they are).

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20 May 2013, 10:11 pm

Fnord wrote:

But what is lawful is not necessarily what is right. In fact, if he was a guy, given the circumstances, I would be against any kind of conviction, and wouldn't call the hypothetical him a sexual predator either. Also, from what I understood they began their relationship when they were both minors, and it was legal at the time; I'd say that it passing from being illegal to being legal because one of the parties reached an arbitrary age does not make sense. There are places in the US with Romeo and Julieta laws on place made specifically to avoid this kind of situation.

However there is a certain point to what you said, that was already mentioned by Sylkat. The court system is bound by the law, and although I don't consider what happened to be wrong, I can certainly see how it could be illegal. I find it a shame that the poor girl has to suffer because of it, but judges can't just ignore written law so easily. But maybe this case will generate the passing of Romeo and Juliet laws in the state she lives in. In my country such a change would benefit her, I don't know how it works in the States but it would still be worth pursuing.

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20 May 2013, 10:31 pm

Shatbat wrote:

Fnord wrote:

A sexual predator deserves no better treatment than a prison sentence and a lifetime as a registered sex offender. An 18-year old is an adult; a 15-year old is a child. Sex between them - consensual or not - is a crime. Deal with it! If the offender were a man, and the victim were a girl, then you can bet that WP would be in an uproar in every forum. There should be no special favor given to a predator just because she's a woman - she deserves the same treatment given to a man who commits the same crime.

But what is lawful is not necessarily what is right.

In this case, it most definitely is.

Let the courts decide the degree of her guilt, and what sentences she receives.

I say make an example of her - maybe others who groom their victims when they're both still underage will think twice about it.

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20 May 2013, 10:32 pm

To give more context:

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(4) LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS BATTERY.—A person who:
(a) Engages in sexual activity with a person 12 years of age or older but less than 16 years of age;

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commits lewd or lascivious battery, a felony of the second degree
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(5) LEWD OR LASCIVIOUS MOLESTATION.—
(a) A person who intentionally touches in a lewd or lascivious manner the breasts, genitals, genital area, or buttocks, or the clothing covering them, of a person less than 16 years of age, or forces or entices a person under 16 years of age to so touch the perpetrator, commits lewd or lascivious molestation.
(b) An offender 18 years of age or older who commits lewd or lascivious molestation against a victim less than 12 years of age commits a life felony, punishable as provided in s. 775.082(3)(a)4.
(c)
1. An offender less than 18 years of age who commits lewd or lascivious molestation against a victim less than 12 years of age; or
2. An offender 18 years of age or older who commits lewd or lascivious molestation against a victim 12 years of age or older but less than 16 years of age
commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(d) An offender less than 18 years of age who commits lewd or lascivious molestation against a victim 12 years of age or older but less than 16 years of age commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

Apparently, while she was under 18 years old she was still committing a third-degree felony, as of 5.d, and when she turned 18 it became a second-degree felony, according to 5.c.2 and to 4.a. So legally she is indeed in a bad position.

But had this happened in Texas, there would have been nothing wrong in this. In my humble opinion, those Florida laws need revising. And Fnord, had this happened in Texas, where it is legal, what would be your thoughts about the issue?

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20 May 2013, 11:19 pm

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Yea, I live in America and see that every time I go outside. I like to eat popcorn and watch.

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21 May 2013, 1:36 am

Florida, the place where they're trying to accelerate the death penalty, where there's a city where registered sex offenders are forced to live under a bridge.

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21 May 2013, 5:02 am

I guess I was not clear on my main point.

Kaitlyn's parents knew that her relationship, once she turned eighteen, and knowing that they were having 'consensual sex', could lead to legal action by the parents who were already doing everything that they could to force termination of the relationship.

They knowingly allowed things to continue, knowing that these people were going to do ANYTHING to stop this.

If Kaitlyn were a boy, maybe they would have sent him to military school until the girl turned eighteen...I don't know, but my analogy to pot smoking was this; whether or not a parent agrees with a law, if they know that their child is knowingly, repeatedly breaking that law, AND they do nothing, that kid can be arrested.

The point was made regarding the creation of a 'Romeo and Juliet' law....were Kaitlyn's parents taking steps to make this happen?

Had they had a sit-down talk with their daughter's girlfriend, and strongly suggested that she might take steps to become an emancipated minor, therefore free to move in to their home, if they are that supportive of the relationship?

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