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06 Jun 2013, 4:00 pm

http://gawker.com/texas-says-its-ok-to- ... -511636423


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06 Jun 2013, 5:13 pm

The law that you can use deadly force retrieve stolen property at nighttime seems like the actual issue rather than the woman being an 'escort'.



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06 Jun 2013, 6:05 pm

'Cause the woman was 'property' once he'd paid her? Isn't that slavery?
edit: another version of the same story. Doesn't make TX look any better.
http://www.salon.com/2013/06/06/texas_m ... rt_murder/



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06 Jun 2013, 10:02 pm

This should really only concern whores in Texas.


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06 Jun 2013, 10:03 pm

That's horse****. Every escort I've ever heard about says that the service is for escorting only, and what's happens after is a private matter. That's like shooting a masseuse for not giving you a happy ending. Absurd. I like Texas for a lot of reasons, but sometimes they do something so stupid...

Plus, isn't mongering a crime itself?



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06 Jun 2013, 10:55 pm

LKL wrote:
'Cause the woman was 'property' once he'd paid her? Isn't that slavery?
edit: another version of the same story. Doesn't make TX look any better.
http://www.salon.com/2013/06/06/texas_m ... rt_murder/


Salon and Gawker seem to have an interest in wording it a certain way. Obviously the $150 would be his property.

I think that it's a weird law, you can use deadly force to retrieve stolen property at nighttime... I wonder if they would acquitted if she was drug dealer instead of prostitute? A lot of those 'escort' ads on Craigslist are just straight up scams so I don't think it's a huge stretch to assume that this lady and her 'pimp' were always intending to rob the guy. The prosecution probably overcharged him since it doesn't seem like he intended to kill the woman, they'd probably would of had easier time convincing the jury of a lesser charge that doesn't carry the chance of life in prison.



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07 Jun 2013, 2:25 am

And this is why I don't live in Texas



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07 Jun 2013, 6:08 am

LKL wrote:
'Cause the woman was 'property' once he'd paid her? Isn't that slavery?


No, it's not slavery. It is a contract. I'll have sex with you, and as long as you stick to your side of the bargain (i.e. don't be abusive, don't force me to do things I have said I won't do, make sure you're clean and wear a condom and don't tear the condom once you're inside me), I'm happy to oblige.

If she didn't want to fulfil her side of the deal, she should have said so and given him his money back. Simple as that. What she did was theft, or if it was with others, robbery. They could well have been trying to stitch him up.



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07 Jun 2013, 6:51 am

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If she didn't want to fulfil her side of the deal, she should have said so and given him his money back. Simple as that. What she did was theft, or if it was with others, robbery. They could well have been trying to stitch him up.


Except it's not. Any masseuse or escort can walk out for any reason. Maybe they think you're a cop. Maybe you stink. Maybe you're an abusive prick. Your contract was with the escort service (or the escort herself) to provide an escort for a certain amount of time. If an escort has sex with you, it is a private matter to be discussed later, not a business deal.

If he believed that he was buying sex, then he was wrong, plain and simple. He was buying the possibility of sex.

That said, the Gawker article is very short and not very detailed. It could be that sex and a fee was discussed, and she grabbed the money and walked. Considering, however, that $150 is a low fee for an escort (Of course... craigslist), I doubt that also included the fee for sex.

Lastly, if it was theft, the theft in question was a refusal to provide an illegal service...



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07 Jun 2013, 7:02 am

Tequila wrote:
LKL wrote:
'Cause the woman was 'property' once he'd paid her? Isn't that slavery?


No, it's not slavery. It is a contract. I'll have sex with you, and as long as you stick to your side of the bargain (i.e. don't be abusive, don't force me to do things I have said I won't do, make sure you're clean and wear a condom and don't tear the condom once you're inside me), I'm happy to oblige.

If she didn't want to fulfil her side of the deal, she should have said so and given him his money back. Simple as that. What she did was theft, or if it was with others, robbery. They could well have been trying to stitch him up.


With legal property or services you can call the police to report the theft for prosecution or if dissatisfied with services go to small claims or civil court for enforcement of said contract.

Anyway, escorts does not equal prostitute. Which is why escorts are legal. As long as she simply shows up and spends time with him, she's fulfilled her "contract. " You can imply or imagine anything you wish and it doesn't make it real. Axe deoderant commercials say I'll get laid if I use their product. Doesn't mean I can go to Axe headquarters and demand all my money back for Axe products at gun point and shoot someone, now does it?

Anyway, guy is a scumbag, but this is a weird case precedent. I'd guess a good number of prisoners are in jail for defense or retrival of stolen property (drug deals gone sour.) However for some reason a white whoremonger gets off and black drug dealers rot for it. And that's why only in Texas...



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07 Jun 2013, 7:03 am

Tequila wrote:
LKL wrote:
'Cause the woman was 'property' once he'd paid her? Isn't that slavery?


No, it's not slavery. It is a contract. I'll have sex with you, and as long as you stick to your side of the bargain (i.e. don't be abusive, don't force me to do things I have said I won't do, make sure you're clean and wear a condom and don't tear the condom once you're inside me), I'm happy to oblige.

If she didn't want to fulfil her side of the deal, she should have said so and given him his money back. Simple as that. What she did was theft, or if it was with others, robbery. They could well have been trying to stitch him up.


An escort is an escort and no prostitute. Demanding sex from an escort because you payed her, is as if you would demand the right to get a blowjob from a taxi-driver, only because you paid him to service you for a certain amount of time.

And thiefery, robbery or whatever does never excuse murdering. Whats next? Do we have to be afraid that shopkeepers shoot our toddlers because of them grabbing for chewing gum out of the buggy, when we dont look? O_o There is a police. If you get robbed, call them. In cooperation with the judges its their job to punish a thief and robber, not yours. We are not living in stone age, Conan.



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07 Jun 2013, 7:05 am

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Maybe you stink. Maybe you're an abusive prick.


That's what I'm saying.

In the case of abusive men, I understand the woman terminating the service and not giving a refund. Abusive behaviour is a complete deal-breaker here in the UK.
If someone stinks, they should be told to have a shower. If not, they should refuse.

Any escort who screws over punters for nefarious reasons in the UK will find herself extremely unpopular and devoid of customers. You can only screw people over for a very limited amount of time, and punters generally know who is good.



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07 Jun 2013, 7:09 am

Tequila wrote:
fueledbycoffee wrote:
Maybe you stink. Maybe you're an abusive prick.


That's what I'm saying.

In the case of abusive men, I understand the woman terminating the service and not giving a refund. Abusive behaviour is a complete deal-breaker here in the UK.
If someone stinks, they should be told to have a shower. If not, they should refuse.

Any escort who screws over punters for nefarious reasons in the UK will find herself extremely unpopular and devoid of customers. You can only screw people over for a very limited amount of time, and punters generally know who is good.


But some people actually do pay escorts just for lap dances or even just "hanging out" because they're lonely.



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07 Jun 2013, 7:09 am

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Anyway, escorts does not equal prostitute. Which is why escorts are legal. As long as she simply shows up and spends time with him, she's fulfilled her "contract. " You can imply or imagine anything you wish and it doesn't make it real. Axe deoderant commercials say I'll get laid if I use their product. Doesn't mean I can go to Axe headquarters and demand all my money back for Axe products at gun point and shoot someone, now does it?


Like I say, if it happens often enough, word will get around that she is effectively a scam artist.



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07 Jun 2013, 7:10 am

Tequila wrote:
1000Knives wrote:
Anyway, escorts does not equal prostitute. Which is why escorts are legal. As long as she simply shows up and spends time with him, she's fulfilled her "contract. " You can imply or imagine anything you wish and it doesn't make it real. Axe deoderant commercials say I'll get laid if I use their product. Doesn't mean I can go to Axe headquarters and demand all my money back for Axe products at gun point and shoot someone, now does it?


Like I say, if it happens often enough, word will get around that she is effectively a scam artist.


Right, but I can't shoot Axe for making me waste money as a teenager.



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07 Jun 2013, 7:26 am

Tequila wrote:
1000Knives wrote:
Anyway, escorts does not equal prostitute. Which is why escorts are legal. As long as she simply shows up and spends time with him, she's fulfilled her "contract. " You can imply or imagine anything you wish and it doesn't make it real. Axe deoderant commercials say I'll get laid if I use their product. Doesn't mean I can go to Axe headquarters and demand all my money back for Axe products at gun point and shoot someone, now does it?


Like I say, if it happens often enough, word will get around that she is effectively a scam artist.


So if an taxi driver refuses you to give you a blow job, and demand that he is only a taxi driver and offering you to drive you in his taxi, and not giving you a blowjob meanwhile, he is a scam?

Sorry, but thats the rudest thing I have ever heard against woman. "Oh, she is a woman, and I have paid her for a certain time to service me. If I payed her anyway, I can demand sex as well, at least I have payed her time."

I simply dont get it. An escort is and escort, and she is offering you to escort you, and if you simply dont know what an escort is, because of only watching dumb porns all day, and expect every woman that you pay for a complete other service to rub your penis, then the problem is your lack of knowlege and not scam. Is a female taxi driver, that agrees to drive you around in her taxi, but refusing to rub your penis a scam? O_o Is every woman that you pay for a service, forced to additionally rub your penis, or else she is a scam and you have a right to shoot her? O_o

Do you have any knowledge of the service a professional escort offers you, beside the dumb nonsense that is happening in dumb pornos? O_o