Do you believe in Zeitgeist

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I wonder does Zeitgeist and Venus Project have chance to become reality.

Zeitgeist is really appealing for me.

Zeitgeist (n): The intellectual fashion or dominant school of thought that typifies and influences the culture of a particular period in time.

Okay ... that makes conceptual sense. But is it real? Does it matter?

Venus Project: An organization started by self-educated structural engineer, industrial designer, and futurist Jacque Fresco. Fresco's project aims to restructure society through worldwide utilization of a theoretical design that he calls a resource-based economy. Those ideas use a version of sustainable cities, energy efficiency, natural resource management and advanced automation with a global socio-economic system based on social cooperation and scientific methodology.

Same. Concepts are like opinions, in that they matter only to those who believe them. The rest of us? Not so much.

Zeitgeists are constantly happening. So yes I do believe in zeitgeists. What I don't believe in is the nonsensical movement that goes by that name and that enables conspiracy theory thinking and is in denial of what reality is like.

What is it then as you see it iam guessing a liberal conservative way of thinking.

I do not believe that those 2 movements and others like them have any chance to replace the current paradigm.
Those who have power intend to keep(and frankly increase) it.
Any who try to take said power will be destroyed without a thought.

Be well.

I think as energy becomes cheaper and more jobs become automated, the RBE aspect could make more sense. I mean if the cost of labor is gradually being replaced with the cost to run the equipment (automation), and technological improvements continue to reduce the cost of power, then the equipment itself would be the only cost that remains. The idea makes sense, but we are a long way off from automating everything, and so far increased automation has increased the need for skilled laborers (someone has to troubleshoot the equipment).

I don't think either movement is legitimate, Jaques Fresco has a history of disenfranchising his followers. His credentials are something you have to take his word on, he spends all his time thinking about his ideal civilization. I think both leaders are of the mindset that someone else should make it all happen. Supporters in the past have come to this site and have been unable to address criticisms of the movement. Plus there are a lot of 9/11 conspiracy theories and free-energy theories coming from TZM.

If you like game changers, you might want to look into ideas like Open-Source-Ecology, Earthships, or the whole DIY/Maker movement. They at least produce results.

What is RBE?

^^ Resource Based Economy, a bit of jargon I picked up.

Zeitgeist is like any belief system.* Lots of garbage and some deep insights.
* Christianity, Islam, Judaism, atheism, scientism...

I have questions about the deep insights. I don't think that Zeitgeist/Venus Project/whatever has actually *tried* to understand how an actual economy works. So, getting your advice and your opinions from them is like going to a witch doctor rather than an auto mechanic to figure out how your car works. That isn't to say "capitalism is perfect", but what they provide isn't a real answer.

You forgot liberalism the most nonsensical of all belief systems in that it makes criminals victims and anyone who wants to do better and provide for themselves family and friends into criminals. How buy making laws that destroy small scale farming ranching and small businesses along with making it hard on people in big business that are just trying to make a middle class wage. while helping the people in big business and banking to get away with criminal actions against every man woman child plant animal insect and ecosystem on the planet.

Actually, it is the elite Republicans that want to reward laziness and not reward work. Betting on others work (Wall Street etc) is hardly taxed at all while work (both creative and manuel) is taxed heavily. As for criminals? Wall Street and the banks stole from us and destroyed our economy. The amount spent on welfare for the poor is tiny compared to welfare for the rich.
I wish the 1%would actually do some work and stop living off of us. Did you know that 400 individual Americans own half of the United State's value? Liberals want to return to those wild liberal days the 1950s! In the Eisenhower era working people were actually rewarded for their work.

I'm not sure exactly what you're trying to say about finance. The reason why many people seek to tax financial investment less is because if people respond to incentives, higher returns on investment should result in higher rates of investment. More investment means more money available to create capital. Capital drives growth, because any long-run growth in the economy has to be a result of some investment that ends up making sure we can use the resources we have better.

That's not to say Republicans have it right or anything else. It's just not an obviously dumb idea, and there are papers arguing that tax cuts on investment will lead to higher rates, just not close to sufficiently high to fund the tax cut.

I found a lot of it insightful because they addressed capitalism's shortcomings and because they put technoligical trends into perspective.

Taking a car to a shady mechanic isn't any better than the witch doctor btw.

They don't even understand capitalism in the slightest, so I am surprised to hear that they "address it's shortcomings". I've talked to a # of proponents, and tried looking through associated websites. They really do not tend to know what they are talking about.

It is truly amazing what people will lie to themselves about wow????