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04 Jul 2013, 6:46 am

Consider this, our government is a puppet of international corporations. Attacking our government is as silly as a man fighting a puppet, while ignoring the puppeteer.


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04 Jul 2013, 9:25 am

Not true, without government protection, the corporations could be held accountable for their actions rather than be bailed out.
Do you blame the addict (power/money addict) or the enabler/dealer?



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04 Jul 2013, 9:51 am

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Not true, without government protection, the corporations could be held accountable for their actions rather than be bailed out.
Do you blame the addict (power/money addict) or the enabler/dealer?


Double edged sword. The government also does a great deal to prohibit corporations from acting in a way that would harm or mislead the public. The vast majority of corporations don't get bailed out, and the ones that do are either deemed necessary for the normal functioning of society, or the result of corruption. In the latter case, it would be more advantageous to the society to remove the corrupting factors than abolish the whole thing. I believe accountable and efficient government is far more effective than an extremely limited/absent one.



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04 Jul 2013, 9:53 am

The government protects the international corporations because it is owned by international corporations. Just as a puppet is owned by the puppeteer.
True, the government does not protect all corporations. For example, the banks,Wall Street and the international financiers that caused the collapse of our economy were not held accountable. However, sometimes the government does go after a corporation that is not to big to fail. It looks good to the sheeple and makes them confident that the government cares about them. Meanwhile, our true owners escape scrutiny.
I always laugh when sheeple call Obama a Socialist. He is the best friend Wall Street ever had!


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04 Jul 2013, 10:02 am

wittgenstein wrote:
The government protects the international corporations because it is owned by international corporations. Just as a puppet is owned by the puppeteer.

Got any evidence to support your claim?



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04 Jul 2013, 10:09 am

Read about what caused our current financial problems. Also read about how not only were the criminals not brought to justice, they (in the form of their servants) are still in charge of our economy (Geitner etc). True, there is no certificate of ownership, but the massive empirical evidence outweighs the effect of chance.


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04 Jul 2013, 10:20 am

wittgenstein wrote:
Read about what caused our current financial problems. Also read about how not only were the criminals not brought to justice, they (in the form of their servants) are still in charge of our economy (Geitner etc). True, there is no certificate of ownership, but the massive empirical evidence outweighs the effect of chance.

In other words, you have no evidence.

Trolling, still a art.



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04 Jul 2013, 10:54 am

Not particularly, there are programs I like and those I don't. Its just a matter of evaluating what they intend to do and how effective they are.


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04 Jul 2013, 10:57 am

Actually, accusing a person of being a troll without any evidence is trolling.
Love your picture! It reveals your personality. :D
And your name, Viper! :D


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04 Jul 2013, 10:59 am

wittgenstein wrote:
Consider this, our government is a puppet of international corporations. Attacking our government is as silly as a man fighting a puppet, while ignoring the puppeteer.

Private enterprises are a product of state violence. Without it, there would be nothing stopping people from collectivizing all the workplaces.



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04 Jul 2013, 11:06 am

Viper,
So you think lobbyists have minimal power? :D


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04 Jul 2013, 11:44 am

RushKing wrote:
wittgenstein wrote:
Consider this, our government is a puppet of international corporations. Attacking our government is as silly as a man fighting a puppet, while ignoring the puppeteer.

Private enterprises are a product of state violence. Without it, there would be nothing stopping people from collectivizing all the workplaces.


And running their economies into the ground in under ten years. It only took seven years of communist incompetence for Lenin to formulate the New Economic Policy which allowed limited amounts of non-government own production, and the private plots that the Soviet government ceded to the collective farmers are what saved the Soviet Union from starvation.

When the people collectivize the means of production starvation and squalor will soon follow. Look at the condition of one of the last remaining Communist states: North Korea.

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04 Jul 2013, 12:10 pm

ruveyn wrote:
RushKing wrote:
wittgenstein wrote:
Consider this, our government is a puppet of international corporations. Attacking our government is as silly as a man fighting a puppet, while ignoring the puppeteer.

Private enterprises are a product of state violence. Without it, there would be nothing stopping people from collectivizing all the workplaces.

When the people collective the means of production starvation and squalor will soon follow. Look at the condition of one of the last remaining Communist states: North Korea.

ruveyn

That's not what happened in spain, there is no such thing as a communist state. Collectivization is decentralization. Private enterprises thrive off of state violence.



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04 Jul 2013, 4:50 pm

GGPViper wrote:
wittgenstein wrote:
Read about what caused our current financial problems. Also read about how not only were the criminals not brought to justice, they (in the form of their servants) are still in charge of our economy (Geitner etc). True, there is no certificate of ownership, but the massive empirical evidence outweighs the effect of chance.

In other words, you have no evidence.

Trolling, still a art.

No they has thousands of pages of evidence and thousands of hours of audio and video to back up what they say you just chose to ignore history and the reality of the world and how it has always worked.



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04 Jul 2013, 5:02 pm

wittgenstein wrote:
Actually, accusing a person of being a troll without any evidence is trolling.

redriverronin wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
wittgenstein wrote:
Read about what caused our current financial problems. Also read about how not only were the criminals not brought to justice, they (in the form of their servants) are still in charge of our economy (Geitner etc). True, there is no certificate of ownership, but the massive empirical evidence outweighs the effect of chance.

In other words, you have no evidence.

Trolling, still a art.

No they has thousands of pages of evidence and thousands of hours of audio and video to back up what they say you just chose to ignore history and the reality of the world and how it has always worked.


*Yawn*. A claim is made that the US government is owned by international corporations/a puppet of international corporations.

I ask for evidence. Evidence is *not* provided. It is not my job to provide evidence to the contrary. It is the job of those making the claim to provide evidence supporting it.

Science. Do you speak it?



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04 Jul 2013, 5:05 pm

GGPViper wrote:
wittgenstein wrote:
Read about what caused our current financial problems. Also read about how not only were the criminals not brought to justice, they (in the form of their servants) are still in charge of our economy (Geitner etc). True, there is no certificate of ownership, but the massive empirical evidence outweighs the effect of chance.
In other words, you have no evidence. Trolling, still a art.

More of a lifestyle, I think.