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11 Oct 2013, 10:59 pm

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OK, well for start, you are still the same person you were before the dx and you managed to get this far so I think that means you will be OK.

Take your time in figuring things out I guess, nobody's advice can be 100% reliable, that's just life.


I really never take people's advice if it involves something that will effect me personally.

If I go to the pet shop and ask the guy which dog food is the best than I'll take advice.

Those are some good points though.



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12 Oct 2013, 12:38 am

I avoided opening this topic due to the title making my eyes nearly roll out of my head, but now I'm glad I finally did. :lol:

PS I've ignored all the self-professed nice guy comments. 8)


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12 Oct 2013, 9:23 am

girls have aspergers?!



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12 Oct 2013, 12:57 pm

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A few nitpicks:

"I would prefer to date people my own skin colour" Translation: "It's not hard enough to find someone compatible -let's go ahead and dramatically narrow the field P.S. I'm a racist"

First of all, there is no affirmative action in dating, choosing who to date is a highly personal choice. What if someone finds Asians more attractive than black people for example. Is it just because you find people of one particular ethnic group more attractive than another make you a racist. Also, some people say that because of cultural differences. I posted a comment in another thread asking another WP member if part of people saying that they don't want to date aspies may have to do with ableism, she replied that she wouldn't call it ableism because dating is a personal choice and it's their choice not to date people with lax interpersonal skills. How is this different when someone chooses not to date someone within a specific ethnic group, whether it's due to physical attraction or due to cultural differences?

"I will not date someone even slightly overweight" Translation: "I do that thing where you mistakenly think it's ok not to address your grotesque personal failings as long you're honest about them"

Same as above, that's a personal choice. I personally wouldn't mind dating someone who is only slightly overweight but again, this may have to do with physical attraction which is more important to both men and women with regards to dating than what you may think.


Regardless of justification.........Imagine going on a dating website like OKCupid (where most of those statements come from actually) and seeing some of those things on the list.

At best, they give the impression of that person being closed-minded, at worst they could be seen as biggot and even a creeper. Maybe those things don't bother you but to a good 99% of women, they are major red flags.......


Are you familiar with OKCupid match questions? I've answered 700 of those match questions and those 2 exact questions were among them. Now, do you understand the difference between writing on a profile something like "caucasian only" under the heading "message me if .. " as list of requirements of people you would date and simply answering "yes" in a match question? Most people on OKCupid (male or female) do not write lists of requirements on their profiles that include things like "only message me if you're caucasian" or "only message if you're hot and not overweight". You say that most of those statements come from dating sites, like OKCupid, however on OKCupid specifically, they only come up on public match questions if they do at all, (and I assume it's the same for other dating websites). Now, my point is this, If someone's dating profile contains such a list at all, the yes, it is a red flag. It's a red flag if only because if it's so important to you that you have to make a list in your profile then it does indicate a lack of open-mindedness at best and bigotry at worst. I have in fact seen a female profile where a woman made list of things like "no nerds", "no geeks", "must own a car" etc and needless say, she deleted her profile shortly after that, which `I can only assume was because she went from getting tons of messages a day to none at all. I'm guessing nobody wanted to message her all after that (especially me) :lol: . That's not the point though. The point is, while it would be a red flag if someone makes a list in their profile, if they only come up as a public match question, then not so much, because unlike the first scenario, there could be tons of reasons for it.

Now let me ask you this, if 99% of women see the above statements as major red flags even if they only come up as answers to public match questions, then would be fair say that 90% of the women who chose not to reply to me because I've got "I have Asperger syndrome" written in my profile are being hypocrites? If not, why not (especially considering the fact that most of time it has to do with assumptions the are making about the label, which exactly (in a sense) what they're worried about when they browse a profile of someone who says that they won't date someone of a different ethnicity)?



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13 Oct 2013, 6:23 am

Wow, it looks like I've killed this thread.



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13 Oct 2013, 1:06 pm

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Most of the guys who are past college age and currently unemployed right now that I know - have girlfriends. The 4 who don't have girlfriends in the group are all employed, and work so much that it makes it almost impossible to date or have a relationship (since all of them are doing 12 hour days 5 days a week and one 18 hour day each week). They essentially don't have time to date or for a relationship, and when they try, the women they try to date soon realise it too and leave very quickly.


So your implying that women prefer unemployed men?

You hang out with strange people.

In the other thread you said that you know 3 men that are 5'2. AND they all had girlfriends.

I think you are lying. Not only is it rare to know a guy who is 5'2 but it is rare to know 3 of them with girlfriends.

And now your saying that 4 of your "friends" who work can't get girlfriends while your unemployed friends can. I find this all very hard to believe.

I thought you were doing research? Researchers collect all data on a subject, not just the data that agrees with their views. The point is that short and unemployed men can get dates/relationships. Accusing someone of being a liar just because their experiences don't align with yours is out of line.

Those three guys probably have girlfriends because they actually went out an tried and didn't worry about how being short didn't give them "market value."

You're just looking for an excuse not to try since your crippling self esteem has you convinced you, you have no self worth. A job won't fix that, nor will a woman. If the entirety of your self worth is based on material wealth and social status symbols (i.e. height, a hot girlfriend) you will never be satisfied. Ever.........



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13 Oct 2013, 1:48 pm

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If the entirety of your self worth is based on material wealth and social status symbols (i.e. height, a hot girlfriend) you will never be satisfied. Ever.........


It's true, for everyone.

If you get exactly what you thought you wanted, two weeks later you'd just be asking for more. :D

Gotta love these transitory externals that people insist on clinging to.



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15 Oct 2013, 7:14 am

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That chart is absolutely ridiculous. Not everyone against feminism hates women,
"I am against feminism, so I am against people thinking that both genders have the same worth, but I am not against woman? Ehm...sorry if you have the opinion that you are not against woman, if you "only" want them to accept that they are worth less then you, only because of their genders, but for my opinion, that means, you have something against me. Simply turn that mention against you: "Not everyone opposing, men not being less worth then woman, is against men." O_o


You are entitled to feel some of the ways you do, as you are a woman. But do you think men walk around thinking that all the women against masculinists hate men?

People are entitled to their opinions, maybe some people resent that feminism contributed to the 53% divorce rate in the United States that it is today. Yes some people have a chip on their shoulders, but that doesn't mean that they hate women.

It never used to be a problem before feminism, but now over 50% of couples end up divorced in the United States.


If you mean with "masculinist" the same as an "feminist" is, only in male, so someone having the oppinion that both sexes have the same worth, then yes, a person hating a masculinist = someone thinking that his male gender is not worth less then the female gender, is someone hating men. If you mentioned to hate people, thinking that other ethnicities are not worth less or more then yours, most people will as well think negative of you out of understandable reason.

So thinking, that both genders have an equal worth is responsible for divorcing rates? So if we step back and make people think again, that genders have different worth, then divorces will decrease again? O_o

You know, what may have as well risen with the divorce rate in your country? The wealthy of your country, and the opinion of people about each other. You can see that pretty well in europe, because most countries here have in common to have in majority christian-believing people. As well as the majority of the country have pretty similar divorcing-laws, caused by the oh so horrific feminism. So thats pretty much the same everywhere.

But there are big differences in the wealthy of the countries. And funnily the wealthier the countries are, the more capitalistic, the more the divorce ratings are increasing. When you are poor and you think of marrying and founding a family with someone, thats an major desicion. So you really, really, really think about it, if you want to marry that partner. As well as divorcing is an major desicion, so its not only about "Our lawyers battle a bit, we are punching around some numbers of our bank account, and in the end everyone will live on his own again."

While now take the threads in this forum here or this specific thread we are writing on right now: Its everything about how the partner looks, how attractive it is... "So yes...it sure is nice if an potential partner may have a character that fits me.... but only as long as the most important thing for me fits, that the external appearance of an potential dating partner, is not below my expectation." O_o So please tell me, how are such stupid oppinions caused by feminists? Are there really feminist protesters, holding signs and demanding: "Be stupid! Ruin your life by going for your dating and future marriage partners, by paying your most importancy, on the "material" benefits a partner gives you! In no way think about stuff like: Do we share common expectations about life? Do whe have common goals? Do we really love the other person, or do I right now only enjoy the benefits that this partner gives me?"

Divorcing rates are that high, because of people not asking themselves those questions anymore. Or dont even want to ask that question, because on purpose only being interested in the partner as an fun/status object. And thats not about man OR woman, but about the societys in general, so many men AND women are nowadays acting that stupid. They are totally equal about it. "Oh, he is so cool, giving me the life as a princess I always dreamed, he must be my dreamprince." - "Oh, she is so cool, having that hot appearance I always dreamed of, making my coworkers jealous on me and my wife, oh she must be my dreamprincess." Its that idiotic expectation, promoted in Disney films and porn, that someone in this world, would have been born with no other reason and having no other meaning in life then to make you happy. And the idiots, thinking to have found that person and marrying it out of the reason to have thought to have finally found their dreamprince/dreamprincess...now guess what they do, when the hormoncocktail goes back to normal after some years, and the finally realize they didnt marry princes and princesses but normal human beings. "Oh, I finally have discovered my spouse is not a prince or princess. So I must have made a failure, according to idiotic expectation if I dont always feel my partner to be a magic prince/princess, because instead feeling him/her as a human being, then it must be the wrong partner."

If you go for a partners character, then there hardly will be someone else offering more of that. But if you only go for the benefits a partner gives, then this can be offered by other partners. So how the hell is feminism to be responsible for increasing divorcing rates caused by that, if BOTH genders divorce out of the same reason: Statusobject XYZ offering more. Just like lots of woman divorce for men, offering them more "material" profits, you have out of the same reason tons of men, divorcing for other woman, because of them offering them more "material" profits: The typical and famous "Changing the old woman against a young one." So please show, me where this kind of behavior is promoted by feminist groups? Where shall that feminist groups be active, and demanding from other people of both genders to be as*holes? I dont see the signs "Go for it girl, and be a material slut! Go for it boy, and get yourself the new 1993 series!"

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I don't know how old you are, but you should know better to at least have some empathy for people's views before you jump the gun and label them as woman haters.


I am 33. And if you generally write feminists, you generally write to hate persons, that think both genders having an equal worth and partners. I dont label you as woman hater, you write that yourself by writing to hate people, thinking both genders being equal worth. I dont know how old are you, but maybe old enough to understand, that there is a major difference between "hating feminists = hating every person thinking of both genders being equal" and "hating radical feminists or people calling them feminists, while in reality favoring matriarchat by favoring their own gender". That you have written to hate feminists, is neither my fault nor any feminists fault, so dont blame others for it, and instead focus to write your opinion more precise next time. So that its not happening t you to write to hate people, thinking genders being equal worth, when you dont want to write that but something else.

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http://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detail/the-evolution-of-divorce

Also, do you think it's right that public sector jobs have laws to hire certain amounts of women? If you do agree, than you are saying that women are weaker than men and really do need help, because men don't have those laws.

In closing, if I were a woman I would want the option to be able to vote & work & be afforded the oppurtunities that men do too, I'm not debating with you on that. But you can't deny the effects that feminism has had on society in general.

Please don't write a huge paragraph as your response to this.


They are not weaker then men, but are according to biologic reasons sometimes pregnant. So employers having brains, would tell themselves that its stupid to misadvantage someone for something, that causes him in general to have workers he can employ or himself to exist. Because if you misadvantage a couple for bearing children, couples simply will have less children. Which can be good if you have in your country birthing rates of 4+, but is something that you want to avoid when having low birthing rates, because thats causing future problems. Sadly there is no law forcing employers to have brain. Luckily couples have a right to vote parties, and as everyone else does, they decide to vote for the party, helping them and not the party, making their life harder. Actually, if you were not focusing around your man/female hate stuff, you could see that this is mostly affecting both sexes the same way, because of most people living in relationships of two people with different sex, so there hardly can be only one sex having benefits or misadvantages by something. What is benefitting me is benefitting my partner too. What is benefitting him is benefitting me too. What is misadvanting him is as well a misadvantage to me. And whats misadvanting me, is as well misadvanting him.

So when I lost my job with 26, while being in an long lasting relationship with my partner, and every private employer expecting me to become pregnant soon, my misadvantage in finding a new job, was as well his misadvantage. Because if our shared income decreases, then our shared income decreases. For both of us. I dont agree with having in general laws to hire certain amounts of this and that people. But I dont see anything bad about it to have laws, giving people a benefit, as exchange for an existing and actually proofen misadvantage.



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15 Oct 2013, 9:00 am

The real reason for high divorce rates is people getting married for the wrong reasons. You can't get divorced unless you get married first.........

Anyone who feels that women shouldn't be able to divorce their husbands (without facing insurmountable disapproval and alienation) like back in olden times.........I'm sorry but you are a sexist. I can't think of any other description. Go back to the 1800s!