Women presenting differently
I feel I understand the theory why this is the case. I have at least read many articles on women in the spectrum and how because of socialization factors it can be easier to mask expression of autistic behaviours.
However, I always feel the opposite. In that women in the spectrum for me stick out much more with than men.
Woman, as a rule, are more touching feely, and the woman I know with AS just can't act that well enough to compete. Hence they stick out more...... Well, they stick out more to me.
Men are generally more in there heads and thus men in the spectrum are more easily able to blend in.
I know I have over simplified things, but living in London I have had the good fortune of meeting hundreds of people, in numerous settings, who are in the spectrum and I am truly baffled by the socialization factors contributing to women in the spectrum masking their difference. My eyes, tell me something very different.
I know what you mean. I've met women that I am sure are aspies. They stick out like a sore thumb. I think that this idea the women fly under the radar is because teachers, parents and adults that could get them diagnosed as children don't notice that they are on the spectrum. Partly due to a lack of understanding about what autism is by the adults is charge.
Yes I feel the same way, I stand out like a sore thumb around other women. It is not just that I am not into the same things (socializing, clothes, holidays, etc.) & am not touchy feely, but it is almost like they can sense it. What's sad is I think they often think I am just cold & indifferent & generally a bad selfish person. I love my family & am touchy feely with them but otherwise I don't like people getting too close to me & I hate drama & emotional stuff. I definitely seem to relate better to men & they seem to have less expectations of me.
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I can see what you're saying, that woman are generally expected to be more touchy-feely and thus a woman or girl on the spectrum will stick out like a sore thumb if she can't bring herself to be that way. But what I think you may be overlooking is that not even all NT women feel the need to be a touch-based person -- especially not in England where there isn't half as much hugging and kissing going on among non-family as in the US, in my own personal experience!
And also, conversely, not all people on the spectrum have a problem with physical touch. There can be Asperger women who like touching and have no problem being a hugger. That's the thing about the spectrum -- it's a spectrum, and not everyone shares exactly the same set of traits and sub-traits among those many sub-traits that are not amongs the major ones required to meet the diagnostic norm.
When it is said that women and girls mask more readily and therefore can go undiagnosed, misdiagnosed, etc, what is usually meant by that is that some, or even maybe many, girls on the spectrum might arrive at a point where they realize they either want to or have to learn and mimic more "normal" ways of being in order to fit into society. There is more pressure in general on women than on men to "fit in" even among NTs. Of course, plenty don't, and make their way in the world defying social convention. But it's still fairly true to say that girls and women usually do conform to being a certain set of things for everyone, while NT men who want to color outside the lines are often accepted as going their own way. It's okay for a man to sit with a beer grunting at the game while the women all fuss around getting the Thanksgiving meal ready in the kitchen. If a woman wants to ditch the other women and retreat to a corner in a similar way, she may be villified for it, for example.
So, a lot of spectrum women may find themselves "acting" in order to do the things that are socially expected of them, and act the ways that are often expected of women (smile, be friendly, take care of people, reach out instead of stay inward-looking, etc). Because of some of this acting, many people might not suspect the person is actually on the autism spectrum, particularly if for one reason or another this woman has felt the need to adapt and blend in particularly strongly, due to survival, acceptance in a difficult life-circumstance, etc.
Of course none of this is to say that there are not women who do stick out like a sore thumb as being aspies. Of course there are, just as there are people who have never put on an act or felt they ought to. And there should be no judgement on those who either do or do not "mask" anything -- we all do in life what we have felt compelled to do out of truly believing it's the only way one's self can get by.
When I was young I think I much more clearly showed autism traits, some quite severe now that I look back. I will never know if anyone picked up on it because it was the 60's and nobody even knew or recognised high functioning autism. Even if someone did point out something to my parents, I know for sure they would have been so freaked out that it would have been kept a secret and certainly I wouldn't have been told about myself.
In order to break out of what I started to realize were non-functioning ways to be, I "swung my pendulum" far to the other extreme at some point in my 20s, and started acting as vehemently "normal" and sociable as I possibly could. I totally put on a mask in order to function in the world and it's very hard now to take it off, especially around strangers, as I feel like my "survival" depends on it.
We all do what we believe we need to do.
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Thank you everyone who has contributed so far.
I am particularly interested in how adapted skills
can camouflage and mask. However, all of my
studies lead me to the conclusion that no particular
sex has particular advantage (or disadvantage)
over the other in this regard.
I can only go with my experience, and that being that
it is much easier for me to pick out females in the
spectrum than men because of the reasons I have
outlined. However, I have no difficulty respecting
others experience. Theories on the other hand beg
to be challenged. "The greater the certainty the less
the understanding"
I read this thread, then reached for the Sunday Magazine lying on the table beside me, flipped it over to reveal the front cover with a picture of the singer, Susan Boyle, and the words, "Asperger's and me. Susan Boyle talks for the first time about living with autism.
The interview is here - http://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2013 ... -aspergers
I think a lot of them would guess in my situation but say it behind my back rather than in my face.
But then again I'm a duder.
Hmmm... in my case I think people talk about me behind my back and think there is 'something different/weird/vague about her', but they wouldn't guess I have aspergers.
I can tell you that they often don't need to atleast in the presence of men in my experience they don't need to hide it. Makes them easier to get along with the shyness is cute the antisocial is less scary for jealousy. It makes it so they don't necessarily have to hide it as much as a man would. Idk maybe I'm way off but with women dealing with men they have advantages it's only when dealing with women that they have trouble
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