What do you think about Jesus?

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What do you think about Jesus?

I don't know, so I said other. I want to believe he is the son of God (as I used to) but I'm rather inclined, due to lack of evidence (though I haven't studied the topic in depth) to believe he was just an ordinary guy, probably a moral teacher who built up a sizable following and then was exaggerated.

In my opinion he was just an ordinary man with a charismatic personality and a moral message. He might have been schizophrenic too, leading to him believing he was the prophesied messiah. Mental institutions today are full of people who think they are the messiah. The rest is just myth, legend and propaganda that has grown around him.

You seem to have left out the Biblical option of Jesus in your poll!

He was the son of God in Human form.

So I voted other.

I'm highly skeptical of the story.
Unfortunately there is very little credible historical evidence either proving the existence or no existence of the man.
(No, the bible is not credible evidence.)
All there really is is biblical stories that are remarkably similar to dozens of "prophets" who preceded him from elsewhere around the world. Stories that when looked at esoterically, are astrological in origin. The "son" is really the "sun".

There could have been a political activist 2000 years ago loosely fitting the description, who spoke out against the local power structure in Israel, who gained a following after his execution. Then approx 300 years later that following persisted, so the roman government decided to co-opt the movement to keep it's followers under control. Then after many centuries of absolute domination, all the available information is so clouded that the truth of the situation is permanently lost. Maybe if more people we're allowed access to the Vatican archives, more could be revealed.

So you think he was in a coma for 3 days or what? People back then were pretty stupid where they probably thought a coma=dead.

He was an interesting historical figure, a bit on the insane side with his delusions of being a prophet and a demigod, but he seemed like a pretty decent guy otherwise, and he certainly had some great ideas about love and acceptance. It's a shame he acquired so many hateful, bigoted followers who warped and twisted his teachings for their own means though.

And to clarify, I'm pretty sure both of his parents were human, and that he wasn't the result of a virgin birth.

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Plenty of people have been buried alive when a coma has been mistaken for death. When Victorian coffins have been lifted for relocation there have sometimes been scratches on the inside of the lids from people desperately trying to claw their way out. Even today I read about people waking up in the morgue who have been pronounced dead simply because their life signs were so feeble. I'm not saying that is what happened with Jesus, it is just one of the many possibilities. The whole resurrection thing could equally well just be a myth, hoax or exaggeration. Nobody will ever know.

Or he is the aggregation of many messianic figures around at the time.
To quote from The Life of Brian:

Brian:I'm not the Messiah!
]Arthur: I say you are, lord, and I should know, I've followed a few!

One of my favourite Monty Python films.

"He's not the Messiah, he's just a naughty boy".

Why am I thinking of the Doobie Brothers?"Jesus is just all right........."
Jesus is ok,The Westboro's and their kind stink.
Nothing wrong with a man that can turn water into wine.

To cite an apocryphal, but nonetheless profound Gandhi quote;

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

This is how I often feel. Now, not all Christians are like that, but it just makes me shake my head whenever I see Christians acting bigoted or hateful in the name of their supposed religious beliefs.

One of my all time favourite movie dialogues.


Brian: Look, you've got it all wrong! You don't need to follow me. You don't need to follow anybody! You've got to think for yourselves! You're all individuals!
Crowd: [in unison] Yes! We're all individuals!
Brian: You're all different!
Crowd: [in unison] Yes, we are all different!
Man in crowd: I'm not...
Crowd: Shhh!



Priceless social commentary.

I pointed this "miracle" out to a tee totall Methodist. His straight faced and deeply serious response, "ah yes, but it was non alcoholic wine."

^^^^Have some relations that say the same thing.Wouldn't it just be juice then?
Jesus made Welch's!!
Any juice would have fermented and turned to wine sooner or later from wild yeast in the air.

Gad.

Many problems with understanding who Jesus is/was is in knowing the history of the time. The whole "water into wine" argument (for example) is misunderstood because people don't know what passed for "wine" in those days.

Alcoholic wine doesn't need to be chilled because of the alcohol content. However, juice will be prone to turn rancid if you let it sit at room temperature.

You can get "drunk" on juice. It's called having a sugar high, and even if that juice was fermented, the alcohol content wouldn't even match the concentration levels found in modern US beers.

Back then, the test for quality for "wine" was if it was sweet and flavorful. Lower quality wine (juice) wasn't as sweet or as well-flavored as the higher quality ones.

There is also another aspect people don't consider (this goes to the rite of communion). The whole concept of the communion rite is how one who HAS NOT seen corruption gives himself so that those who are corrupt can be redeemed. Sacrifices are to be UNBLEMISHED. The "bread" used in communion is to be unleavened...no corruption (which is what yeast is...a small amount of disease that lightens and flavors bread products without reaching a toxic level). Likewise, the "wine" is to be without corruption. All of our commonly accepted definitions on how to make wine involves the introduction of a corrupting agent to the juice to ferment it into an alcohol-laden product. This perverts the "blood" symbology in the communion rite. Just as Jesus represents the unblemished body and blood offered as the payment for sin, it reasons that Jesus would not call people to memorialize this offering in a rite that utilized corrupted elements. Bread WITHOUT leaven. Wine WITHOUT fermentation (or "juice"). Both were widely available in those days. Indeed, it took centuries to refine the fermentation of grape juices into what we now accept as "wine."