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My country, Denmark, used to treat those with mental disabilities well.
We have a lot of mental health institutions, public as well as private as well as private apartments in connection to a
mental health center or caregiving center, and there has been a focusing on increasing people's lives with these mental health institutions.

However, in the recent years, the hatred towards those with mental illnesses has increased to the point of the ugly face of discrimination and zero-tolerance.

For example, today I could read that the news media are now saying that "Maladaptive youths costs billions". And by maladaptive, they are referring to anyone
who is not physically ill or disabled. By which the natural logical reasoning must be that people with even severe mental health issues are placed in the same cathegory as
"Maladaptive".

It correlates well with my other observations of society. Not just in Denmark, but in any westernized country, where people I discuss politics with come from,
the sympathy for those with physical disabilities is high, then gradually becomes lower.

When you reach Aspergers Syndrome, even a severe Aspergers Syndrome, there is no understanding. There is no sympathy.
There is no tolerance for those with Aspergers Syndrome who cannot function on a normal basis without support.

And if you need support, you are simply a "pathetic whiner" who should "pull yourself together" and "stop whining".

I can, with a 100 % certainty tell you, from my experiences, that the next thing that will happen is that people will target the suicidal:

That they just need to pull themselves together and stop whining, at best, or that the society and other people cares absolutely nothing about them and are totally indifferent to wether or not they commit suicide. In the future, it will be legal to tell a suicidal individual who is about to jump from a high-rise building, to actually jump to kill oneself.
Not only will it be legal, it will be praised, and later expected.

Possibly a good reverse-psychology method to make them chicken-out, and not go through with it.

I believe that myth has been debunked. For some, it would work. But for others it will only reaffirm them that suicide is the right solution.

Yeah, you'd probably feel like a real tard if the person said "okay" and then jumped. lol

I agree with some of the things you said; however, let's be realistic here. People are not so horrible that they'd eventually start praising and encouraging people to tell a suicidal person to kill themselves. I highly doubt civilization will ever come to that. On the contrary, within my social environment, people are starting to recognize the struggles had by those living with mental health issues. Sympathy and awareness has been increasing over the past century. Consider how inhumane mental illness patients were treated in 19th century psych wards and compare it to the humane and relatively helpful care they receive today. Sure there are some people today, doctors even, who misunderstand mental health patients and consequently mistreat them, but I'd say that most professionals in the field are very sympathetic and understanding, even if they are not entirely helpful.

Those people referring to those whom they consider maladaptive probably haven't considered that that might include the mentally ill as well as those whom they originally had in mind. Admittedly, just because mistreatment isn't intended doesn't stop it from being hurtful. But you haven't told us how those people intend to treat those whom they call maladaptive - do they really want to get rid of them in some way, as you imply, or do they want to stop them from being maladaptive i.e. help them adapt?

I don't think there is necessarily a huge overall trend towards discrimination, though; I think that at any moment, there are quite a few people becoming more tolerant and also many people becoming less. Overall, the society tends to oscillate over time, becoming harsh and then forgiving again. And I'm pretty sure there's a limit to how far those things can go: for instance, there's a certain degree of instinctive reluctance to allow someone who's right there in front of you to die.

That said, things can sometimes get pretty bad before they begin to improve.

Well here in the UK thanks to David Cameron and Iain Duncan Smith, hatred of disabled (both mentally and physically) is at an all time high since 1930's Germany. There have been endless stories in the media about people faking disabilities in order to get disability benefits despite the official statistics for benefit fraud being less than 1%. The media have thrown out buzzwords such as "scroungers", "parasites", "workshy" etc. while the government have weakened anti-discrimination law such as the Equality Act and intend to withdraw from the European Court of Human Rights. Disabilty denial factories have been set up by Unum/Atos and attacks on the disabled continue to soar, as does the death rate. However, the persecution continues, as does the denial.

Heck! You can see it on here, among the so-called high-functioning autistic people (i.e. the ones who can work, maintain a household, etc.)! I just argued with one on another thread that mentioned that a person with mental disabilities must have just been "malingering" without even knowing the person or saying something along the lines of go ahead and let them commit suicide because they're worthless anyway!

I can work and maintain a household. All the same, I recognize how my ASD limits me each and everyday, and recognize some may be more severely affected. I respect them and agree that they should not be homeless out on the streets and should get the medical care that they need!

Well at least they don't want to execute us for having different ways of looking at the world.

Perhaps they are refering to those who prefer crime to work, join gangs, and do not support the culture in which they live.?

Little children, the eldery, and disabled, do not fit in that class.

To be ablebodied with no visable means of support used to be treated as a crime, as they were doing something to eat and live. They have money, but no job, and have not paid taxes.

Of course the other side of that is a lack of jobs, which will produce a culture of the unemployed, who do not feel the need to support the people who put them in that situation.

It is a two way street, and many Greek and Spanish youth have never had a job.

The better off places in Europe must be attracting a lot of displaced people.

There was one highly developed civilization. It gave world some of the most important philosophers, musicians, authors. It was a civilization of culture, rapidly evolving technology, it's cities multicultural... that civilization was Germany, and yet it was exactly that civilization that started systematic killing of all those undesirables.
Believe that....anything is possible, civilization is very, very, fragile thing when it comes to life of an individual.

Forgive the tl;dr, but I can't help but be passionate about this kind of thing. My family and I have been in some truly awful places financially and feel blessed that SOME of the garbage we've had to deal with is behind us. We're not in all that good a place just yet, but at least we have a home and transportation that is all paid for. Moving forward is something we can pride ourselves in, and it amazes us sometimes how resistant people can be in making the same kind of progress themselves.

The thing is, though, that there really ARE a lot of whiners out there who aren't really all that interested in improving their situations. I'm not talking about people with genuine physical or mental issues, and not even ASD folks who likely can but for whatever reason just don't. I mean regular NTs with at least two university degrees.

It's not like I haven't been there myself, but at least with me it's been a process of sorting through all the lies and coming to grips with reality and what I SHOULD believe and do. For instance, the kind of music I really want to make a living creating doesn't work unless you're making that kind of music in an ivory-tower, academic, university setting, and you spend half your active hours teaching music majors…which is fine. But when I left with my master's degree, I really just wanted to be done with school, start a family, and maybe think about finishing up at a later time. I also thought that there were opportunities out there for someone like me and that getting a DMA or Ph.D. wasn't really all THAT necessary, or that taking up residence in a college or university wasn't the only way to go. I also had some pretty intense views on artistic integrity and ended up missing out on doing some things that really could have turned my life around 10 or so years ago. I noticed that competitions and festivals were dominated by a sort of "old boys club" that I was neither interested in molding myself to nor fighting the futility of breaking into. Getting public support for my work proved prohibitively difficult, all sorts of doors got slammed in my face, and for almost 9 years I might have composed two, maybe three substantial works.

And yes, I did more than my fair share of whining about it when I could have taken to social media, YouTube, and exploiting community organizations that would at least have given me a captive audience for a few unpaid gigs. If I hadn't been such a stuck-up snob about my own music, I might have done SOMETHING that, though not upholding some unreasonable standard of "artistic integrity," would have kept me productive.

I've since given all that up. My attitude is that I won't be driven by either commercial or academic pressure; I'll just do what *I* want to do at any given time. If I want to record an album and sell it, I'm going to have to be the one to do all the work, all the way from production to promotion to release. I know I can't depend on anyone but myself, so I'm not going to try to depend on anyone else. I have a meager budget and am set to break even after only ONE performance to promote the record. Obviously I plan to do better than that with a string of performances, but all it will take is two performances to both break even AND raise enough money for the next project. If I can get three gigs out of this, I can put the money into building inventory surplus, since I predict the product cycle will be on the downswing beyond that point--it just never hurts to be prepared if it does better than I expect. I hope to capitalize on that over the next year (in 2015) and start making some REAL money that hopefully won't all go right back into equipment and software upgrades as has been my habit up to this point. Besides that, I've got ambient tracks out the wazoo in progress. My goal is to plaster my YouTube with those and move into music licensing. Who knows? I might turn up on your next film, TV, or video game soundtrack. If I can get all my loans paid off, pay cash for a nice 5 bedroom house in a nicer neighborhood, put my trailer up for rent, and get all my kids' private school paid for the next couple of decades, I MIGHT just put a couple of years' worth of earnings towards writing my first symphony or opera and hire an entire EXISTING orchestra for the premiere. I'm prepared to be the sole sponsor if that's what it takes.

The point is that people who have the ability, and I'm really talking about NTs here, to dream big and take action but end up whining because the world doesn't hand itself over to them on a platinum platter don't really deserve to matter. There's no good reason why I couldn't pick up and move to Nashville tomorrow and try to work my way through that town. I've got keyboards, a bass guitar, and even my own PA system, which is still fairly new. I could almost outfit an entire band right now…I just need more microphones. My wife makes most of the money in our household and I've had an awful lot of turnaround in my private students so that the money coming in barely moves the needle. I don't cry about it. I get on the phone and call leads. I take advantage of dry spells by coming up with musical projects that I FINISH. Doesn't matter if anyone likes them or not. Doesn't matter if I only get 5 views on YouTube, and only that many because someone accidentally clicked a link. If I can't concentrate on a project anymore, I'll get my knitting out for an hour. I'll hit the treadmill for 5 miles while I listen to some Tangerine Dream. I'll listen to my kids practice piano for a couple of hours. I'll read some motivational non-fiction. I'll write down the events of my day in my journal. Whatever I'm doing when I'm not busy, I'm keeping myself busy so I don't lose my edge.

I have found that good-paying work often comes when I am WORKING. I'll be deep into something when I get interrupted by something that has money behind it. I've got too many unfinished projects to count, stuff on hard drives older than my kids. Manuscript paper in storage that's half eaten by rats by now. All faded memories set aside before life started rocking and rolling. The only thing I whine about now is how sick I am of having spent so much time doing work that never really mattered to me, that I only took because it offered the illusion of security. I'm DONE with that life. I've HAD IT. I'm not going to take it anymore; and from now on, I'm only going to engage my passions and share that with the world. It's not about the money. The money will come. What I'm sick of is going through life empty-handed, and I REFUSE to EVER be HERE AGAIN!! !

People too often whine about things, but they never get sick and tired of being empty handed. They LIKE whining. They LIKE being lazy. The LIKE all the drama that comes with being poor and on public support, or in their parents' basement, or whatever. They LIKE making that one phone call to someone they know isn't hiring so that they can continue to collect unemployment benefits, because that means they can spend another day on the couch playing video games. My problem is that I DON'T like this. If this area proves to me that it has no market for my music, I can always move. I can call up venues in other places that I KNOW will give me a chance, and if I end up making a 3-hour commute every weekend and have more money than I know what to do with, I'm packing up the family and moving them to that market. If that dries up, we'll go somewhere else. People either LIKE their unfortunate circumstances because it gets them out of doing unpleasant things, or they are AFRAID. Could be they're afraid of failure. Could be they're afraid of success and the pressure that comes with it. Could be they have some equivalent of stage fright. Could be they're afraid of moving out of their comfort zone, even if it isn't so comfortable. Whatever. Fear can be overcome. Confidence can be built. People who enjoy poverty cannot be helped. If you LIKE your situation, you're either not going to do anything to improve that situation or you'll fight to keep things the way they are. People who protest the end of extended unemployment benefits because they haven't found a job yet in several years make the poor excuse that there aren't any jobs where they are. Well, stupid, MOVE OUT!! ! They'll say, "well, it's just not that easy, and don't judge me…" Why not??? If there aren't any jobs where you live, go somewhere else. If that doesn't work, go somewhere else. Keep going until you find something. It IS that easy. I mean, no, it's not always easy…it requires effort. I know that. But smart people standing in poo should have enough sense to get out it. You go far enough and you won't be standing in poo anymore. It's really a simple concept and it only takes the courage to get moving if employment is the goal.

Therein lies the problem. Employment isn't really the goal. It's easier to whine and protest and stay where you are. It's easier to give up all your freedom for laziness. There are people who are OK with living like that. Fine for them. I just can't do that. I want to travel, see the world, give my kids and my wife the best this life has to offer. I can't do that spending too much time on a WP post or playing video games all day. Most importantly, I want to do that by doing what I love best: Making music. It's seemingly impossible to do, but it IS impossible if I do nothing. If I work my tail off at it, it can be amazingly lucrative. I don't like that my tax money might be keeping people on couches playing video games. But I might be doing volunteer, charity work in Central America or bicycling across Europe one day, assuming things work out for me. Heck, I might even be famous one day and get to eat all my meals for free. Nothing is impossible, unless, of course, you allow it to be. The sad part is there are many people out there who WANT everything to be impossible. The interesting thing about the world we live in is we often get what we want the most. You want everything to be impossible? You got it.

Interesting. Do you have a link to the thread?

The thing is, as society becomes harder to adapt to, you will have more maladaptive people, or people who experience being maladaptive (since 1 in 4 or us experience mental health problems at some point) for a period of time, however short. Those maladaptive people will speak up and fight for their rights, which is what you're doing, and what we're all doing here on WP.

People will hear us even if they don't want to listen. And not everyone is unable or unwilling to listen; most (non-sociopathic) humans naturally have empathy. They sometimes train it out of themselves to get ahead in society, but not everyone does that.

So lots of people are against us, yes, but lots of people are on our side as well. Given this, you can't conclude that humans are evil.

Yet there are many people who are outraged by this and always criticise it. That's what happens when those in power are being obviously inhumane, people fight back.

I think hatred of disabled people is increasing among some groups and decreasing among others.