Sexuality abhored

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it's ironic that sex, which is a basic human drive, is villified by the religious right, and even radical feminists, to such a degree as to having such a profound impact on the way even secular people in society view it. I do not feel sexuality is something to be ashamed of though, it's a natural proccess. Look at the positives in it, it's 1. a bonding experience between two people who love one another sometimes, 2. it's a biological proccess which without, we would not be here, and 3. it's a vice for some people. I feel that, supressing the sex drive in society, will only create more problems.

....Dude!!!Radical feminists don't vilify sex.How do you think birth control pills and sex ed came to be?.....largely because of second-wave feminism in the 60's and 70's. You just think all feminists are butch lesbians in combat boots who hate men.(certain factions of them fit the stereotype, but not all of them)

....It's not so much about vilifying sex, it's about sexual empowerment for women....as cliche as it sounds.

I didn't say ALL feminists, I said RADICAL feminists, femiNAZIs, extremists. Don't put words in my mouth just so you can be "politically correct"

Flamers will be given a summary court marshall and thrown out Aspica's airlock. This is your only warning.

I'd rather not turn this into anoter pc-induced hoopla where people are putting words in my mouth. This article was intended to have little overall to do with feminism, it's more the fanatical christians than anybody. So lets please get this article back on track?

Alright, I tend to argee with you Captain Snake. Sex is very good thing as long as you don't commit rape or get an STD.

Dude f*****g stop with the blind pc rhetoric, I never said anything about ALL feminists, just the bad ones. f**k, way to derail my thread.

Ah ok, it's cool lol

Well, I am a straightforward sort of person. I try to say things as plainly as possible. Sex is part of my life. Without invoking orgasmic reflex every other day or so, I would feel terribly uncomfortable all the time. Like stifling a sneezing fit, it just doesn't quite feel right. People have been judgmental over my expression of sexuality, and the straightforward language I can use (yes, that includes here). Since I am not going against the law where I live or otherwise impeding on the rights of others, then I think people being judgmental is their problem, not mine.

As for feminists, there are about 3 camps of thought regarding pornography 1) While I may not approve of what is going on, women have a right to choose. 2) Pornography helps women. 3) Pornography hurts/oppresses women.

As for radical feminists, they may not believe in "sexual essentialism" which states that sex is a natural need based on biology. Rather, sexuality is more of a social construct. And there is the radical belief that women are so coerced by patriarchy, that they are simply incapable of giving "real" consent to star in the pornography and have sex. Think of every woman who stars in pornography as being a victim of Stockholm Syndrome, whereby they have basically taken a liking to being oppressed. That's one line of thought.

It was once thought that porno would put men into a sexual frenzy, and they would be more likely to commit violence against women. But this has not been the case. Excessive porno exposure seems to actually decrease interest in sex. Personally speaking I have enjoyed consuming pornography, although I'm not nearly as interested as I used to be. I also like when I can turn my boyfriend down for sex, he then turns to pornography instead.

Each time my boyfriend and I have sex, we satisfy each other and I do feel it is a bonding experience. And I am glad sex is not how it used to be, before feminism. In the past, the female orgasm, clitoris and all was not valued; hardly studied or cared about. Can you imagine a husband who did not care for your orgasm one bit? Any man that I sleep with will cherish and respect my need for orgasm. That's the sexual equality and I believe most men do seem to be willing to go along with this idea now. I mean, it's not like it's unreasonable.
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the best part of sex was falling asleep afterwards. im serious, ive never had a better nites sleep than after the time i did it.

Nutbag never had it, never will

I pity you. Even I, the old and withered admiral of the Fleet gets plenty of action, mostly from the president of colonies.

-Social Constructionist's don't deny that the basic sexual urge exists, rather that labels are socially constructed(Homosexual/Heterosexual, men slept with other men in ancient greece but they didn't define themselves as "queer")

-It's ridiculous to put sex and porn in the same category. Feminists aren't opposed to sex as a natural biological urge, they just see porn as exploitive.(appealing to men's power fantasies, and not expressing the sexual desires of the women involved)...I still look at porn but that's the basic argument for opposing it.

....and to snake321, the "feminazi" label was coined by radical conservative jesus freaks who are probably a bigger threat to your sexual freedom than any feminist. I don't care if radical feminism's not your thing...but if your going to criticize something, at least know what the hell your criticizing.

i don't think sex is the problem, but reification of humans into sexual objects IS problematic. this is where sex is no longer an act between two humans, but an act of one human on someone who has been objectified to the point of of reification. this can happen outside the bounds of what we consider "rape" by simply basing your sexual intentions for someone on an objectified category like apperance and interacting with that person based on one's objectified assumptions of them rather than who they are as people.

this happened to me yesterday.

Yes and I criticized jesus freaks too. Be honest, your argument comes from the "us vs. them, my side is always right" mentality because you call yourself liberal, right? Meaning being blindly politically correct?
Dude if your gonna deny that there are extremist feminists out there you truely are a clueless f***head. I don't support the jesus freaks either, I'm able to look at s**t objectively without labelling myself you ret*d.

If they are "libeal" they must be exclusively correct beyond any questions because YOUR a liberal A lable won't bring you anywhere near the truth, your not "open minded", or "progressive", your just blindly following a different group than those you oppose. Political correctness is nothing more than inverted bigotry.