Jenny McCarthy's son doesn't have autism after all!
10 Jan 2014, 5:15 pm
Feralucce wrote:
Jaden wrote:
I understand that it was a figure of speech, whether or not you had meant it literally is not the issue and is wholly irrelevant. The point is, we're honestly not being too hard on her, she herself brings on this kind of scrutiny when she advocates falsities, and her persistence in doing so is what makes her a target to such a magnitude. If she had minimal influence it wouldn't be an issue, but her influence is rather heavy so it is. There has already been at least one outbreak because of a lack of vaccination, that's not something that kids should have to go through because of society's stupidity, certainly not because people choose to believe someone like Jenny McCarthy about a topic that she knows literally less than nothing about. Ignorance abounds and in this case, it has serious consequences for kids who don't have a choice in the matter but to go along with what others choose to believe. It's ultimately up to their parents whether or not they're vaccinated and if they get sick because those parents believed some b.s. spewage by someone on tv with influence, then that is a problem, not just for those kids, but also for other kids who are exposed as a result. Let me be clearer on this:
A parent hears about something that could have potentially harmful effects on their kids, it's going to be their first instinct to keep their kids away from it, period. Having people out there that spread lies about something as serious as vaccination contamination spells out serious problems for kids, especially when their parents know as much as said "advocate" (which is, in this case, literally nothing) about the topic/problem. Parents go into panic mode with stuff like that, they don't have the time to look up every little detail, and even if they had that kind of time, they're going to go with caution first i.e. not vaccinate their kids. And where do these parents hear about these wild ideas? Their T.V. where else? Do you see my point?
Are we being too hard on people like Jenny McCarthy? Not even close. When the potential exists for kids to suffer as a result of ignorance, we cannot be proactive enough in scrutinizing those who perpetuate said ignorance by using parents fears to do so.
A parent hears about something that could have potentially harmful effects on their kids, it's going to be their first instinct to keep their kids away from it, period. Having people out there that spread lies about something as serious as vaccination contamination spells out serious problems for kids, especially when their parents know as much as said "advocate" (which is, in this case, literally nothing) about the topic/problem. Parents go into panic mode with stuff like that, they don't have the time to look up every little detail, and even if they had that kind of time, they're going to go with caution first i.e. not vaccinate their kids. And where do these parents hear about these wild ideas? Their T.V. where else? Do you see my point?
Are we being too hard on people like Jenny McCarthy? Not even close. When the potential exists for kids to suffer as a result of ignorance, we cannot be proactive enough in scrutinizing those who perpetuate said ignorance by using parents fears to do so.
^^^^^thank you for wording this in a way that is articulate... when dealing with idiocy of the kind that McCarthy spews, I am reduced to a stream of invective and profanity.
lol I don't blame you, it's a bit of a bad situation and it can make anyone upset to that point. I can't stand the idea that kids could be hurt as a result of society's ignorance and stupidity (as I'm sure most can't).
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10 Jan 2014, 6:58 pm
Jaden wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Jaden wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
yet another creative and imaginative lets burn Jenny McCarthy at the stake post
I had to laugh at this post. She's doing it to herself, she's trying to advocate "facts" that don't actually exist in an attempt to further her own viewpoints about vaccines. She's not a health care professional, nor does she actually have any health care professionals backing up her claims, just the opposite actually, the MMR myth has been debunked to such a degree it's not even funny anymore, yet she continues to make a fool of herself by repeating the since debunked myth as "fact". If continually fighting her nonsensical spewage in an attempt to actually educate people to the facts of the matter, is to be considered "burning her at the stake", then perhaps we should re-evaluate what we as a society consider acceptable truth, because people are disproven every day on topics just like the MMR myth, the more people advocate their falsities, the more people will work to disprove them and put them on display as an unreliable source of facts. If what she has been claiming had been even remotely true, it wouldn't even be considered "burning her at the stake", but that's not the case, she's wrong and we all know it. Jenny McCarthy is influential enough to sway public opinion to her favor, and that's dangerous when it comes to public health, is it any wonder to you that people would want the real facts out there? Is it any wonder to you that producing those real facts would invariably make Jenny McCarthy look like a fool because of her position on the subject? Again, she does it to herself.
I understand that it was a figure of speech, whether or not you had meant it literally is not the issue and is wholly irrelevant. The point is, we're honestly not being too hard on her, she herself brings on this kind of scrutiny when she advocates falsities, and her persistence in doing so is what makes her a target to such a magnitude. If she had minimal influence it wouldn't be an issue, but her influence is rather heavy so it is. There has already been at least one outbreak because of a lack of vaccination, that's not something that kids should have to go through because of society's stupidity, certainly not because people choose to believe someone like Jenny McCarthy about a topic that she knows literally less than nothing about. Ignorance abounds and in this case, it has serious consequences for kids who don't have a choice in the matter but to go along with what others choose to believe. It's ultimately up to their parents whether or not they're vaccinated and if they get sick because those parents believed some b.s. spewage by someone on tv with influence, then that is a problem, not just for those kids, but also for other kids who are exposed as a result. Let me be clearer on this:
A parent hears about something that could have potentially harmful effects on their kids, it's going to be their first instinct to keep their kids away from it, period. Having people out there that spread lies about something as serious as vaccination contamination spells out serious problems for kids, especially when their parents know as much as said "advocate" (which is, in this case, literally nothing) about the topic/problem. Parents go into panic mode with stuff like that, they don't have the time to look up every little detail, and even if they had that kind of time, they're going to go with caution first i.e. not vaccinate their kids. And where do these parents hear about these wild ideas? Their T.V. where else? Do you see my point?
Are we being too hard on people like Jenny McCarthy? Not even close. When the potential exists for kids to suffer as a result of ignorance, we cannot be proactive enough in scrutinizing those who perpetuate said ignorance by using parents fears to do so.
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10 Jan 2014, 10:02 pm
vermontsavant wrote:
Jaden wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
Jaden wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
yet another creative and imaginative lets burn Jenny McCarthy at the stake post
I had to laugh at this post. She's doing it to herself, she's trying to advocate "facts" that don't actually exist in an attempt to further her own viewpoints about vaccines. She's not a health care professional, nor does she actually have any health care professionals backing up her claims, just the opposite actually, the MMR myth has been debunked to such a degree it's not even funny anymore, yet she continues to make a fool of herself by repeating the since debunked myth as "fact". If continually fighting her nonsensical spewage in an attempt to actually educate people to the facts of the matter, is to be considered "burning her at the stake", then perhaps we should re-evaluate what we as a society consider acceptable truth, because people are disproven every day on topics just like the MMR myth, the more people advocate their falsities, the more people will work to disprove them and put them on display as an unreliable source of facts. If what she has been claiming had been even remotely true, it wouldn't even be considered "burning her at the stake", but that's not the case, she's wrong and we all know it. Jenny McCarthy is influential enough to sway public opinion to her favor, and that's dangerous when it comes to public health, is it any wonder to you that people would want the real facts out there? Is it any wonder to you that producing those real facts would invariably make Jenny McCarthy look like a fool because of her position on the subject? Again, she does it to herself.
I understand that it was a figure of speech, whether or not you had meant it literally is not the issue and is wholly irrelevant. The point is, we're honestly not being too hard on her, she herself brings on this kind of scrutiny when she advocates falsities, and her persistence in doing so is what makes her a target to such a magnitude. If she had minimal influence it wouldn't be an issue, but her influence is rather heavy so it is. There has already been at least one outbreak because of a lack of vaccination, that's not something that kids should have to go through because of society's stupidity, certainly not because people choose to believe someone like Jenny McCarthy about a topic that she knows literally less than nothing about. Ignorance abounds and in this case, it has serious consequences for kids who don't have a choice in the matter but to go along with what others choose to believe. It's ultimately up to their parents whether or not they're vaccinated and if they get sick because those parents believed some b.s. spewage by someone on tv with influence, then that is a problem, not just for those kids, but also for other kids who are exposed as a result. Let me be clearer on this:
A parent hears about something that could have potentially harmful effects on their kids, it's going to be their first instinct to keep their kids away from it, period. Having people out there that spread lies about something as serious as vaccination contamination spells out serious problems for kids, especially when their parents know as much as said "advocate" (which is, in this case, literally nothing) about the topic/problem. Parents go into panic mode with stuff like that, they don't have the time to look up every little detail, and even if they had that kind of time, they're going to go with caution first i.e. not vaccinate their kids. And where do these parents hear about these wild ideas? Their T.V. where else? Do you see my point?
Are we being too hard on people like Jenny McCarthy? Not even close. When the potential exists for kids to suffer as a result of ignorance, we cannot be proactive enough in scrutinizing those who perpetuate said ignorance by using parents fears to do so.
If she's been "bashed" for years, it's because of her own doing, people aren't just randomly hating on her just because it's fun, the stances she takes are often based on discredited information and she perpetuates ignorance, everyone knows this and that's why people challenge her. When she stops making false claims, then people will "let it rest", until that happens, people will continue to challenge her to ensure that the real truth comes out, or at the very least to ensure that people realize a complete fabrication when they hear it, that's the way society works, as it should. I haven't ruled out anything about the DX of the kid, nor have I seen any proof that the kid has whatever DX, autism or not. My issue is the fact that she's apparently used this kid as the prime example of her false, and again, discredited claims about vaccination, when apparently we don't even know for sure if the kid is autistic. It's the flimsiest set of claims that I've ever seen anyone make, especially when it's based on false (and again, discredited) science and it isn't even clear what the kid actually has.
If you're willing to believe her after all of the lies and half truths she's told, then that's up to you, but I have no faith in her word because she doesn't know jack sh*t about anything, she just hears something and takes off on a wild hunt to push her ideas in any way she can, a fact that she proves every time she goes on a quest to "advocate" something false. She's honestly the very example of what kind of person society shouldn't listen to.
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11 Jan 2014, 2:30 am
vermontsavant wrote:
^ well i dont know what to say.i dont know much about her other than that she is a big cure advocate and i understand that that anoy's people.but the hate she draws is grossly disperportionate to her wrong doings
If she wasn't STILL crusading... I would say yes... but she still goes on the air and says these things... if she would stop, people would slowly forget about her
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11 Jan 2014, 4:05 am
Feralucce wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
^ well i dont know what to say.i dont know much about her other than that she is a big cure advocate and i understand that that anoy's people.but the hate she draws is grossly disperportionate to her wrong doings
If she wasn't STILL crusading... I would say yes... but she still goes on the air and says these things... if she would stop, people would slowly forget about her
Precisely.
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11 Jan 2014, 10:10 am
vermontsavant wrote:
^ well i dont know what to say.i dont know much about her other than that she is a big cure advocate and i understand that that anoy's people.but the hate she draws is grossly disperportionate to her wrong doings
I don't think the issue is that she is a cure advocate, but that she is an anti-vaccine campaigner.
She has used her fame and public position to promote harmful misinformation and people are upset about that. If she would stop doing that, a lot of the negativity would go away.
11 Jan 2014, 11:59 am
Adamantium wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
^ well i dont know what to say.i dont know much about her other than that she is a big cure advocate and i understand that that anoy's people.but the hate she draws is grossly disperportionate to her wrong doings
I don't think the issue is that she is a cure advocate, but that she is an anti-vaccine campaigner.
She has used her fame and public position to promote harmful misinformation and people are upset about that. If she would stop doing that, a lot of the negativity would go away.
I respectfully disagree... It is that she constantly espouses things that have no scientific basis... and in many cases are directly counter to established fact... She has claimed, at one point, that a macrobiotic diet cured her son's autism... she later retracted that...
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11 Jan 2014, 4:48 pm
Feralucce wrote:
Adamantium wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
^ well i dont know what to say.i dont know much about her other than that she is a big cure advocate and i understand that that anoy's people.but the hate she draws is grossly disperportionate to her wrong doings
I don't think the issue is that she is a cure advocate, but that she is an anti-vaccine campaigner.
She has used her fame and public position to promote harmful misinformation and people are upset about that. If she would stop doing that, a lot of the negativity would go away.
I respectfully disagree... It is that she constantly espouses things that have no scientific basis... and in many cases are directly counter to established fact... She has claimed, at one point, that a macrobiotic diet cured her son's autism... she later retracted that...
Both are correct, and both contribute to the hate that she receives, it just seems like every other week/month it's something else that she tries to convince people of, and people believe her because of how popular she is.
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12 Jan 2014, 9:24 pm
I honestly think she is more popular BECAUSE of this whole vaccine debate than she was before. To me she was a 'has been' until she wrote the book about Evan's autism.
And whether vaccines did or did not contribute to anything is sort of beside the point. If a parent chose to blindly follow her isn't that THEIR problem?
The point is do vaccines cause autism? Studies have been done showing they do. Other studies (mostly paid for by the pharmaceutical industry) find those studies to be false. HOWEVER, vaccines can still be dangerous. There is a reason there is the 'vaccine court' and people get paid because of the side effects of vaccines.
If people would actually listen to what Jenny McCarthy wants, she wants vaccines to contain less preservatives, and she wants the vaccine schedule to be altered so that kids aren't given 3,4,5,6 shots at one time. That to me seems like a reasonable expectation, but one that many doctors, insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies are not willing to meet. That leaves people in the camp of getting all their vaccines on the schedule set by the big-wigs or getting nothing.
14 Feb 2014, 1:02 am
greengeek wrote:
So we have another McCarthy that is a liar. The last time we had a McCarthy that was a liar was the 1950s.
No... She is misinformed... a lie is an intentional deception... she doesn't know any better...
and I am willing to bet we have had lots of mccarthys that are liars in the last 60 years
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