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Do you agree with my opinion?
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15 Mar 2014, 5:21 am

Many people are aware of the Ukraine crisis. I just want to throw my opinion out there. Ukraine is like a bridge I would say. From Russia to Europe, and if Russia keeps jumping on that bridge it is soon to collapse. What I essentially mean that if Russia (Really looking at Putin) keeps sending in troop to Crimea, war might just break out, and Ukraine will be that battlefield. Which this is my opinion just remember, and also I would like some of your thoughts ; post below I would love to read them! :D



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15 Mar 2014, 9:28 am

Interesting question! Also very difficult to answer.
Russia has obvious interests in eastern Ukraine, gaseoduts, passage to the sea. The anexation is obviously against soberany but Russia can say they are respecting people's rights of self-affirmation, since most inhabitants there are russian. It doesn't seem like Putin is going to back off, economic sanctions or not, at the same time, will western countries and the US take some radical atitude against Russia to protect Ukraine? Seems unlikely. I don't know what is going to happen.



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15 Mar 2014, 9:30 am

A few years back when Russia invaded Georgia, I saw an interview with an American expatriate who was living in Moscow. He said something like, "Don't be surprised if in a few years Russian tanks roll through the Balkans and other former Soviet republics." So I guess he was right.

I don't think the EU will get involved in the Crimea. Now, if Russia were to send troops into the Balkans which are part of the EU, it might be another story. But the rest of Europe won't intervene over the Ukraine (or Belarus or Moldova).



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15 Mar 2014, 10:13 am

Someone may hate me for saying this, but it's normal. These people make a habit of fighting amongst themselves, changing government, and killing rich people. They even tried equality, and that didn't work either. I have an idea. Fight some more, make another war, and make more babies, so you can do it again. History is just repeating itself.



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15 Mar 2014, 10:58 am

yournamehere wrote:
Someone may hate me for saying this, but it's normal. These people make a habit of fighting amongst themselves, changing government, and killing rich people. They even tried equality, and that didn't work either. I have an idea. Fight some more, make another war, and make more babies, so you can do it again. History is just repeating itself.

this is actually an interesting discussion. For me it isn't like that because all the conditions for something to happen never repeat themselves. All the variables present today in this situation weren't there in any other time of history. The best we can hope to do in social sciences then is to try to isolate some of those variables to understand and explain happenings. But if they were all the same it would actually be soo much easier for us, we would be able to foresee everything, like A causes B, but it is not like that.



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15 Mar 2014, 12:13 pm

why are you against Russia invading country's yet you dont complain that the united states has been doing the same thing for the last 50 years
take your blinders off



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15 Mar 2014, 1:28 pm

yournamehere wrote:
Someone may hate me for saying this, but it's normal. These people make a habit of fighting amongst themselves, changing government, and killing rich people. They even tried equality, and that didn't work either. I have an idea. Fight some more, make another war, and make more babies, so you can do it again. History is just repeating itself.


Be it as it may that rich people have died in present and past conflicts in that part of the world, I'm pretty certain if the numbers of victims and their economic status wre tabulated, it would be found many more poor people lost their lives. But that's the nature of the world - kill a rich man, and everyone knows about it. Kill a thousand poor people, and no one notices or cares.


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15 Mar 2014, 6:30 pm

chris5000 wrote:
why are you against Russia invading country's yet you dont complain that the united states has been doing the same thing for the last 50 years
take your blinders off


Let me add to this. Why is the world up in arms about Russia putting troops in Crimea when they all sat idly by while 1 million Tutsi people were butchered with machetes over a period of three months in Rwanda? I guess politics takes precedence over genocide in the civilized world. Especially when it's brown people being butchered.



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15 Mar 2014, 7:28 pm

The whole, it's hypocritical to point out the faults of another if you've done it in your past, thing, is dumb as hell.

So, what you're saying, is that you're just as bad as me (or how I was)? Some argument there.

Anyway, Putin and co. fear all the liberal gays crossing that bridge. Said bridge won't fall, as there's been enough time to fortify the remains.



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15 Mar 2014, 9:08 pm

Rascal77s wrote:
chris5000 wrote:
why are you against Russia invading country's yet you dont complain that the united states has been doing the same thing for the last 50 years
take your blinders off


Let me add to this. Why is the world up in arms about Russia putting troops in Crimea when they all sat idly by while 1 million Tutsi people were butchered with machetes over a period of three months in Rwanda? I guess politics takes precedence over genocide in the civilized world. Especially when it's brown people being butchered.


And Syria! The international community has really failed there too. Three years of war and no end in sight.



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16 Mar 2014, 10:28 am

You need a 'Not Sure' option on your poll.

One of the posts mentions an American guy who suggested that the former Warsaw Pact countries could fall one by one and if Ukraine is allowed to do so then he may be right. Next step will be Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, unless something is done.

Putin makes me nervous.


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16 Mar 2014, 11:28 am

Putin has been in power for 14 years plus so I find it unlikely that he would do anything very radical.



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16 Mar 2014, 11:30 am

Eccles_the_Mighty wrote:
You need a 'Not Sure' option on your poll.

One of the posts mentions an American guy who suggested that the former Warsaw Pact countries could fall one by one and if Ukraine is allowed to do so then he may be right. Next step will be Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, unless something is done.

Putin makes me nervous.

yeah the old BS slippery slope theory that got America into the Vietnam and Korean war, it also got America into a few proxy wars in south America too.

you should look into the people pushing these wars 9 times out of 10 they have a connection that will make them millions if the war happens. war is over a trillion dollar a year business



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17 Mar 2014, 1:20 am

Eccles_the_Mighty wrote:
You need a 'Not Sure' option on your poll.

One of the posts mentions an American guy who suggested that the former Warsaw Pact countries could fall one by one and if Ukraine is allowed to do so then he may be right. Next step will be Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, unless something is done.

Putin makes me nervous.


If an EU country like the Baltic states is invaded and the EU does nothing, they will lose all credibility. I don't think anything will happen in those states.



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17 Mar 2014, 1:52 am

trollcatman wrote:
Eccles_the_Mighty wrote:
You need a 'Not Sure' option on your poll.

One of the posts mentions an American guy who suggested that the former Warsaw Pact countries could fall one by one and if Ukraine is allowed to do so then he may be right. Next step will be Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, unless something is done.

Putin makes me nervous.


If an EU country like the Baltic states is invaded and the EU does nothing, they will lose all credibility. I don't think anything will happen in those states.


Well, if Putin is the unstable megalomaniac he is so often perceived to be, then he might just one day test the west's resolve with a threat to invade the Baltic States.


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17 Mar 2014, 3:42 am

trollcatman wrote:
Eccles_the_Mighty wrote:
You need a 'Not Sure' option on your poll.

One of the posts mentions an American guy who suggested that the former Warsaw Pact countries could fall one by one and if Ukraine is allowed to do so then he may be right. Next step will be Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia, unless something is done.

Putin makes me nervous.


If an EU country like the Baltic states is invaded and the EU does nothing, they will lose all credibility. I don't think anything will happen in those states.


The EU has credibility?