What to do about "failing men?"
Paul Ryan is making headlines again
http://theweek.com/article/index/258223 ... ng-men-now
Last week Paul Ryan provoked an outcry when he claimed that poverty in America was in large part a product of a "tailspin of culture, in our inner cities in particular, of men not working, just generations of men not even thinking of working, or learning the value and the culture of work."....
...But another aspect of this much-remarked-on incident has drawn no notice: his focus on inner city men. Ryan's comments seem to be based on an unstated assumption that what he calls the "culture of work" is especially relevant to men.
That assumption in turn is a product of an increasingly anachronistic and indeed reactionary world view, in which working for money is the epitome of what it means to be a man. More precisely, to be a man, on this view, is to work a "real job" — that is, a job that at least pays enough to allow him to be the provider, the breadwinner, for his family.
Ryan's inner city men, who have never "learned the value and the culture of work," are therefore not merely failing, but failing specifically as men, by failing to provide for their families.
The problem with this neat little morality tale is captured by what ought to be some startling statistics. Note that another unstated assumption behind comments such as Ryan's is that the American economy actually produces enough decent-paying jobs to allow a reasonable number of Americans to have such jobs, as long as they embrace "the culture of work."
To say this isn't the case is an understatement. What is a "good" job, financially speaking? One which pays $50,000 per year? $40,000? $30,000? The latter figure, which represents take-home pay of less than $2000 per month, and which is only twice the minimum wage (which itself has declined sharply in real terms since the 1960s), is an extremely generous definition of what constitutes a decent-paying job.
But let's use it anyway, to determine how many Americans of working age have such jobs. If we make a couple more unrealistically optimistic assumptions — that nobody under 18 or over 69 is working, and that no one has more than one job — the answer is: three out of 10.
Nearly 70 percent of American working-age adults do not have jobs that pay at least $30,000 per year, because there are only three such jobs for every 10 American adults between the ages of 18 and 69. In other words, the vast majority of working age Americans cannot possibly acquire decent-paying jobs, even if one defines a decent-paying job extremely broadly, because there aren't nearly enough such jobs, not because people fail to embrace "the culture of work."
Here's another statistic that those who embrace the culture of math will find relevant to Ryan's claims that inner city men in particular are poor because they have a bad attitude toward gainful employment: the labor force participation rate. This is the percentage of non-institutionalized adults who are either employed or actively seeking work.
The year Paul Ryan's father reached working age (1948), 86 percent of American men, but only 32 percent of American women, were participating in the labor force. (A large portion of women who worked outside the home were poor, usually non-white, domestic workers. It was fairly unusual for a white middle class woman over 30 to work for income).
Since then, the labor force participation rate among men has declined by 18 percent, while the rate among women has nearly doubled. Another consequence of this social shift is that most men make less money than they did 40 years ago, even though the country as a whole is vastly wealthier: for 60 percent of men, real wages are actually lower now than they were in 1973.
Republicans love to talk about the wisdom of the free market in general and the irresistible laws of supply and demand in particular, but Ryan (who is currently touted as his party's economic whiz kid) seems to be failing Econ 101. Poverty in America has nothing to do with the shiftless "inner city" men haunting Paul Ryan's all-too vivid imagination, and everything to do with the fact that seven out of 10 American adults of working age can't get a decent-paying job, because those jobs don't exist.
In a culture in which it's now assumed that every non-elderly adult who isn't a full-time student or the primary caretaker of small children should be working for wages, this fact has especially devastating consequences for precisely those men whose plight Ryan addressed in such an "inarticulate" way.
Another relevant factor in reduced income for men:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/ ... story.html
Trade agreements that promote the relocation of U.S. corporations’ factories to nations like China and Mexico have played a central role in the evisceration of American manufacturing and the decline in U.S. workers’ incomes. Two out of three displaced manufacturing workers who got new jobs between 2009 and 2012, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reports, experienced wage reductions — most of them greater than 20 percent....
So, what to do with our "failing men?"
Increase minimum wage.I don't see how anyone that's trying to work could be considered "failing",it's not their fault they get a lousy wage.When I think about a single parent trying to make ends meet,work and take care of a kid or two,I just don't see how they can make ends meet.It would be always hand to mouth.
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I am the dust that dances in the light. - Rumi
With increased trade, increased female participation, and increased technology, there is definitely reduced need for people to work. Left to itself, reduced demand would translate into reduced wages.
I would favor reducing the supply of workers by reducing the retirement age, or by implementing a negative income tax. People who want more crap than what their negative income tax affords them can go out and work.
It does seem odd for Mr. Ryan to be bringing up the topic of "failed men", when not only does he not have anything for the "failed men", but the majority of us are now "failed men."
Is he trying to shame us into voting Republican, or into signing up for the Tea Party? Maybe it works: the Tea Party is largely made up of "failed men" who have plenty of time on their hands.
I voted Public Works Projects since that worked before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal
Public works[edit]
To prime the pump and cut unemployment, the NIRA created the Public Works Administration (PWA), a major program of public works, which organized and provided funds for the building of useful works such as government buildings, airports, hospitals, schools, roads, bridges, and dams.[53] From 1933 to 1935 PWA spent $3.3 billion with private companies to build 34,599 projects, many of them quite large.[54]
Under Roosevelt, many unemployed persons were put to work on a wide range of government financed public works projects, building bridges, airports, dams, post offices, courthouses, and thousands of miles of road. Through reforestation and flood control, they reclaimed millions of hectares of soil from erosion and devastation. As noted by one authority, Roosevelt's New Deal "was literally stamped on the American landscape".[55]
Farm and rural programs[edit]
Given how many bridges and highways are in disrepair, there is a real need for this work to be done. Hurricane Katrina would not have been nearly so devastating if the levees were in good repair and there had been reforestation (re-swampification?) projects to provide windbreak.
^^^That is a good idea,there are quite a few campgrounds and picnic areas here that were built then.They used lots of native materials rocks and cedar to build these great family areas that are still in good shape today.The CCC project.
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Stop electing them to public office.
Oh, but that's only the beginning

Then we can elect women to those jobs, demand that they make equally-unworkable left- and right-wing campaign promises, and call them dishonest when they break them. For even more laughs, we can deliberately split our votes, then complain about "gridlock".
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWZV4t7IAzQ[/youtube]
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nat ... le1390902/
In the past decade, Ontario Veterinary College has seen its student numbers turned on their head: Women account for more than 80 per cent of its students during that time, and now make up more than half of the province's practising vets.
It's an extreme example of a story that is playing out on campuses in Canada and around the world - and a trend that could have profound social implications. There are now three female undergraduates for every two male students on Canadian campuses, and more women than men graduated with higher education degrees in 75 of 98 countries examined in a recent UNESCO study.
Women are expected to gain more power in public and corporate life and more financial independence.
Faced with a dwindling number of potential mates who are their education equals, however, researchers speculate more women may take a pass on the traditional family, or be more willing to leave it when things don't work. And more men may find themselves tending to hearth and home.
"We are an example of things to come," says Serge Desmarais, Guelph's associate vice-president, academic, and a psychologist who specializes in gender studies. "Imagine 30 years from now when 60, 70 per cent of the people who are educated are women. It has to change the ratio of who does what. And that has huge social ramifications."
Economist Ross Finnie agrees. "It's a whole new world," says Prof. Finnie, who teaches public policy at the University of Ottawa. "This is a complete flip-around from not so long ago. I think the direction of change is almost certain. I don't think it's ridiculous to say women will have the upper hand in a way they haven't in the past."....
..."There is a feeling men can take care of themselves - clearly that is not true. If that were true, we wouldn't be seeing this growing gap." Men's failure to go on to higher education in the same numbers as women is a "demographic bomb," she warns, that will hurt Canada's ability to compete and limit men's potential....
...In the United States, favouritism toward male applicants is suspected at some liberal arts colleges....The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights last month began an inquiry into accusations that private schools are discriminating against women to prevent campuses from becoming "too female," fearing this will discourage others from applying.
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The horrific mismatch seems to have a lot to do with the disparity between all the cheap goods that flood in from countries that can pay workers less than a dollar per day vs. the costs of living here - housing, food, gas, medical care - that seem to climb in a completely different direction.
It would work if the cheaper goods supplemented the lost income in savings in daily life - sadly that's not really the case.
I mentioned it in another thread before - if the average John or Jane Doe of the new economy is indeed a Walmart greater or a burger flipper, with either a high school diploma or a masters or Phd, then we need housing and healthcare plans that accurately reflect what people of the new economy can really afford.
Anything short of that and we'll be back to a day and age where truly you'll be a rarity if you can afford to live on your own. We have no preparation for that kind of return to sustenance marriage because we've spent the past 30 years learning how to be independent to the point of being utterly antisocial and unyielding and hence we'd turning toward truly being a nation where a large minority if not a slight majority of the kids would be living at home as bachelors and bachelorettes without any real inkling to swallow their pride. If we feel like we've made progress in human autonomy we have to find a different direction than permanent live-at-home status or sustenance marriage.

Just pick your favorite.
I thought I did. I picked Massively expand the military since I figured that would cause enough butthurt then I saw other choices that could cause equal or greater resentment but it was already too late.

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Ryan is correct in that there is a cultural problem in some poor areas, particularly inner cities. The rates at which males fail and the severity of outcomes of incarceration and early death are much worse. Don't try to lump that in with the majority of the US economy. The toxic culture of the inner cities has been resistant to almost any positive economic trends for decades. Where I disagree with Ryan is with the usual talking points of work ethic, personal responsibility, etc. Most inner city children are doomed to have it very difficult because they are abused at home, raised with unhealthy habits at home, emotionally unsafe environment at home or they grow up in violent unsafe neighborhoods. The culture breaks down where people can't trust others and resolve conflicts. If job opportunities would be created in the worst neighborhoods that would be great but it's not the way where anyone wants to. I don't know if the nuclear family will ever comeback; the culture must change to become more conscious of mental illness and children's rights. That will help more than marches for peace after the next person gets gunned down.