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22 Feb 2007, 1:53 am

What do you think of Egotheism?

Egotheism is deification of self. Basically "I am my own God."

Egotheism is a form of Atheism since it denies the existence of outside deities. They are not to be confused with Autotheists, who bear similarities to Egotheists but are something else entirely.

I myself am an Egotheist. I believe myself to be my own God because I can learn and adapt myself to the situation - hence, I am my own God.

This is not narsicism. A narcissist would believe themselves to be God to all men. I acknowledge I may help others but in the end they are their own Gods.

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22 Feb 2007, 2:38 am

No man is an island.



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22 Feb 2007, 2:43 am

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No man is an island.


I never said I was.

I merely said I have the tools to help myself. Most people believe their deities do such for them, therefore I'm merely acknowledging my God, me.


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22 Feb 2007, 2:45 am

So, do you fell that, no matter what, you will always be free because of your mind?



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22 Feb 2007, 2:48 am

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So, do you fell that, no matter what, you will always be free because of your mind?


Yes, I believe you could call it autodeterminism (No fate but what we make)

Each and every sapient being is their own God.


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22 Feb 2007, 2:50 am

Flagg wrote:
headphase wrote:
So, do you fell that, no matter what, you will always be free because of your mind?


Yes, I believe you could call it autodeterminism (No fate but what we make)

Each and every sapient being is their own God.


A much more interesting line of reasoning than pure atheism or agnosticism.


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22 Feb 2007, 11:27 am

Ya, I can believe you are your own god but you are still in a universe that we are all connected to. We are "1" whether people believe it or not (the chance to feel that is there for everyone). How would this tie into things? It also does not explain 'existence' or 'creation' but rather gives "meaning" to your own life.

I'm more in belief that what goes on in my mind reflects in the "real" world. Think positive, take positive action, see positive. Think negative, take negative action, see negative. Etc. I believe it because I've done both styles. I'm going to stick with the more positive



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01 Mar 2007, 8:58 pm

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Ya, I can believe you are your own god but you are still in a universe that we are all connected to. We are "1" whether people believe it or not (the chance to feel that is there for everyone). How would this tie into things? It also does not explain 'existence' or 'creation' but rather gives "meaning" to your own life.

I'm more in belief that what goes on in my mind reflects in the "real" world. Think positive, take positive action, see positive. Think negative, take negative action, see negative. Etc. I believe it because I've done both styles. I'm going to stick with the more positive


A belief that each individual is their own god is not the same as the concept of all individuals being one with God. The latter occurs in Hinduism and elsewhere, including the Sufi branch of Islam (do not confuse with the Sunni vs. Shi'a divide there are Sufi mystics from both streams). I suppose your (Corvus') positive thinking is similar to Flagg's autodeterminism (we make our own destiny). Do not other factors intervene though? The course of someone's life is influenced by other factors than their own free will. There is the free will of others around them, various factors not amenable to human will, providence (probably denied by Flagg) which is not the same as predestination/determinism etc. How are egotheism and autotheism distinct from one another, Flagg? Sorry if the association is insulting or something - I wish merely to learn.


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01 Mar 2007, 9:00 pm

Quatermass wrote:
Flagg wrote:
headphase wrote:
So, do you fell that, no matter what, you will always be free because of your mind?


Yes, I believe you could call it autodeterminism (No fate but what we make)

Each and every sapient being is their own God.


A much more interesting line of reasoning than pure atheism or agnosticism.


Yes it is rather more interesting a line of reasoning (no offence intended to pure atheists or agnostics). I forsee some interesting discussions.


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01 Mar 2007, 10:24 pm

Flagg wrote:
What do you think of Egotheism?

Egotheism is deification of self. Basically "I am my own God."

Egotheism is a form of Atheism since it denies the existence of outside deities. They are not to be confused with Autotheists, who bear similarities to Egotheists but are something else entirely.

I myself am an Egotheist. I believe myself to be my own God because I can learn and adapt myself to the situation - hence, I am my own God.

This is not narsicism. A narcissist would believe themselves to be God to all men. I acknowledge I may help others but in the end they are their own Gods.

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you just describe the church of satan.



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01 Mar 2007, 10:40 pm

skafather84 wrote:
Flagg wrote:
What do you think of Egotheism?

Egotheism is deification of self. Basically "I am my own God."

Egotheism is a form of Atheism since it denies the existence of outside deities. They are not to be confused with Autotheists, who bear similarities to Egotheists but are something else entirely.

I myself am an Egotheist. I believe myself to be my own God because I can learn and adapt myself to the situation - hence, I am my own God.

This is not narsicism. A narcissist would believe themselves to be God to all men. I acknowledge I may help others but in the end they are their own Gods.

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you just describe the church of satan.


Why do they call themselves the Church of the Adversary/Enemy/Accuser (possible translations of Hebrew Satan)?


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01 Mar 2007, 11:00 pm

it was a way of pissing off the christians.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism



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01 Mar 2007, 11:09 pm

skafather84 wrote:
it was a way of pissing off the christians.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism


Why bother? There are already enough of my fellow Christians irritated as it is; some over issues that matter.


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01 Mar 2007, 11:12 pm

The Church of Satan draws its name from the mythological and cultural concepts of Satan. Satan stands as the central symbol for many different gods including Ahriman, Loki, Set, Amon, and Belial to name a few. They are all seen as symbolic of the same ideals and archetype. The Church of Satan claims that every individual can be his or her own god and is responsible for his or her own destiny. ("Satan" in their usage denotes a symbol and metaphor rather than a literal anthropomorphic deity.) People who follow this belief system are called "Satanists".



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02 Mar 2007, 1:10 am

LaVey Satanism is about yourself and yourself alone. It's an animistic non-theist religion, thought it has the precepts of Egotheism it's more Nietzche then anything else.


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