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12 Jun 2014, 9:19 am

Have others enjoyed this movie? :)

I'm especially interested in the scene where the father explains to his son
that "everyone cheats", after the son catches him trying to cheat a used car
customer. I didn't know this was true. :o

Do you find everyone cheats? That no one is truly/fully honest? :(

Are you? I try my best but catch myself failing, in little ways, all the time. :oops:



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12 Jun 2014, 9:22 am

That wasn't the 1979 movie about bicycle racers, right?



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12 Jun 2014, 10:03 am

never heard of the film [it sounds like something they woud call a breaking bad sequel film/series following 'jesse pinkman' :P ] but am completely honest and have never lied before both due to inability and moral beliefs on lying of any kind.
if am fully aware have got some information that makes someone looks bad in public,woud just not say anything unless they asked because being aware & choosing to be honest is still no excuse to be a prik.


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12 Jun 2014, 11:21 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
That wasn't the 1979 movie about bicycle racers, right?


That's the one. Until then I had never heard "anyone" even hint that "everyone" was a liar
(whenever they thought they could get away with it).

Does this mean "no one" has an internal moral standard? Or only one that includes lying?

Is this supposed to be an integral part of everyone's psyche? Or only NT's?

I think I read somewhere the average person lies 50 to 60 times per day (approx.); can this
be true?



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12 Jun 2014, 2:51 pm

There will always be plenty of people who cheat and plenty of people who don't cheat.



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12 Jun 2014, 2:58 pm

Excellent film, one I like to watch every so often. I don't live terribly far from Bloomington, IN, so the area is familiar to me. It wasn't really a movie about bike racing -- that was merely the backdrop. The title was a good metaphor for trying to find your place in the world just out of high school, I think.

What made the film work was not making bike racing the primary focus of the film.

I'm not so cynical as to believe "everybody cheats," but I suspect the percentage who do is quite large.



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12 Jun 2014, 3:08 pm

[Moved from General Autism Discussion to Television, Film, and Video]


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12 Jun 2014, 3:16 pm

VegetableMan wrote:
Excellent film, one I like to watch every so often. I don't live terribly far from Bloomington, IN, so the area is familiar to me. It wasn't really a movie about bike racing -- that was merely the backdrop. The title was a good metaphor for trying to find your place in the world just out of high school, I think.

What made the film work was not making bike racing the primary focus of the film.

I'm not so cynical as to believe "everybody cheats," but I suspect the percentage who do is quite large.


On the other hand, if bicycles weren't such an integral part of the movie, I would probably have never bothered to watch it.



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12 Jun 2014, 6:37 pm

Bloomington is a college town. It was a battle between the snobby students and the "townies." the protagonist was a "townie." He used bike racing as a cathartic release--hence, it was a significant component of the story. It was his way of "breaking away" from the conventions of his father and of the conventions of the college town of Bloomington, IN.



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12 Jun 2014, 9:49 pm

When I watched it I thought it was Boring Away.



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13 Jun 2014, 7:27 am

It looks boring.


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13 Jun 2014, 8:04 am

You have to see the movie in order to determine if it's boring.



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13 Jun 2014, 11:39 am

I enjoyed this the way I enjoy most Morality Plays; I always like the
story when the good guy wins.

But the astounding thing was the comment about lying.

Is this how average NTs socialize? The studies showing the frequency
of lying are studies of NTs. and always produce the same results.

What would a study of us AS folks discover I wonder?
Do we all find it necessary to hide behind lies?



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13 Jun 2014, 5:37 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
You have to see the movie in order to determine if it's boring.


I saw it, it is boring. The only part I liked was when the guys were jumping into the lake and one of them goes into an old refrigerator at the bottom of the lake and they all jump in to save him. Turns out the the back of the refrigerator wasn't there and he was fine. After that, I just found it boring.



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13 Jun 2014, 5:50 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
Bloomington is a college town. It was a battle between the snobby students and the "townies." the protagonist was a "townie." He used bike racing as a cathartic release--hence, it was a significant component of the story. It was his way of "breaking away" from the conventions of his father and of the conventions of the college town of Bloomington, IN.


I can kind of identify with this feeling: We have the University of Pittsburgh. I go to an autism discussion group and many of the people there are younger than me and attend Pitt and like it. Unfortunately, due to AS and a crummy high school (very few go to college at all in our community), Pitt would never accept me. Now I have people rubbing Pitt in my face and I cannot even go to the place (although I have heard from other people who went to Pitt and said it was awful). So I can see how the Townies would have resentment.