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15 Aug 2014, 10:18 pm

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Trust me, I'd rather be the way I am right now, than be confined to a wheelchair. Aspergers may be a pain in the ass, but at least I can do simple things like climb stairs without assistance. I would hate to have to be reliant on other people for things like that.


You can flip that argument around with the mention that the person in the wheelchair can socialize and have enjoyable relationships his entire life and still be able to do those 'simple things' you mention despite being in a wheelchair.


I am on the more "NT" side of the spectrum in some ways, and I can actually socialise fairly well. As far as relationships go, I have close friends and I've come close to having girlfriends before, but I don't think entering a romanticrelationship ould be a wise thing for me until I've grown up somewhat.



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15 Aug 2014, 11:59 pm

Both can be very frustrating I think, I don't envy the lives of people forced to use wheelchairs and I am sure most of them wouldn't envy mine. The difference is one is one is physical and the other is confined within the brain, how much it effects depends on the severity and the chosen lifestyles of the affected.



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16 Aug 2014, 12:07 am

I personally would prefer to stay Asperger as I am now, as well. It's what I know, it's what makes me me. That, and the thought of being even MORE physically/financially dependent on others than I already am now disgusts me beyond belief. Yes, I have my social issues. But, after having been burnt too many times over, I simply don't actively seek to socialize. And for now, that's fine. If you cannot accept me as the person I present typically, then I cannot be bothered to go out of my way for you. As for "everyday" situations such as dealing with cashiers, I've adapted enough. I'm sure I come off as awkward, but it works for the need.

That said, like others have said prior in this thread, the wheelchair user may feel differently. Perhaps, like me, the wheelchair user simply cannot separate themselves and their use of the wheelchair because that's what makes them them. Maybe the wheelchair user feels that they would have a better life with social difficulties, but the mobility and freedom to do as they please. It all really depends on the person, and that person can be different to you or I as night and day, NT or not.

I wonder why one WOULD compare these experiences to begin with, though, as I do not feel they are really related beyond the sense of "disability" (note that I do not mean to offend anyone with the use of this, just trying to think from an uninformed NT's PoV). Yes, they can coexist, but they by themselves do not connect...



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16 Aug 2014, 12:31 am

Apologies to anyone with ASD in a wheelchair who has to read these ignorant comments...



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16 Aug 2014, 6:31 am

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Apologies to anyone with ASD in a wheelchair who has to read these ignorant comments...
Ignorant is right, though. In terms of "not understanding; not being informed". Which implies that one can inform oneself, and no longer be ignorant...

Please, folks, don't make assumptions about people with other disabilities. They are as unique and varied as we are, and have as wide a variety of opinions about their disabilities.


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16 Aug 2014, 8:00 am

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Trust me, I'd rather be the way I am right now, than be confined to a wheelchair. Aspergers may be a pain in the ass, but at least I can do simple things like climb stairs without assistance. I would hate to have to be reliant on other people for things like that.
Or an elevator.

Just 'cause you don't think you'd like it, doesn't mean it's not totally normal for people who've used a wheelchair for their whole lives, or for years. They learn how to work around not being able to walk. And simple accommodations can make life much easier for them--such as requiring public buildings to either have one main story (like a grocery store does) or to have elevators (like in a courthouse). Besides, elevators help everybody--how often have you used one because you were holding a mug of coffee, or because you were carrying something heavy, or because it was six stories up? They work around their disability with technology and creativity.

Which is a lot like what we do; we learn to work around sensory overload and crappy social skills and getting stuck on one thing. We even use technology, like how we're talking now by way of Internet forum.

I don't think it is very easy to compare the two situations. Rather than one being better or worse than the other, they are simply different. An Aspie wouldn't have trouble with stairs (except on a clumsy day or when around bullies who like to push us down them), and someone with, say, a spinal cord injury, wouldn't have problems with being oblivious to others' social signals (except for the social distance that comes from people being awkward around someone in a wheelchair).

They are both disabilities, and in that they have a lot of things in common, mostly when it comes to accommodations, treatment in society, others' opinions of what our lives must be like, etc. For example, notice how you immediately decided that being "confined to a wheelchair" would be really horrible? That's something you learned from the culture we all live in, and it's an assumption that people in wheelchairs have to deal with when others assume they must hate their lives. Similarly, we have to deal with the idea that we as autistic people are tragic and isolated and not capable of love or compassion.

I don't think it helps anyone very much by trying to compare to see who has it better or worse; I would rather recognize that we have similar experiences, because we share the experience of being disabled, and are natural allies.


You're forgetting that not all of us live in big cities where wheelchair ramps and elevators are common. The town closest to where I live would be a severe pain in the ass to navigate by wheelchair, and my house would be practically impossible with all the stairs and tight corridors, not to mention the rough terrain outside. I'll take some quirkiness and sensory issues over limited mobility and independence, thank you very much. I can work around my issues to a decent extent, at least compared to dealing with having unusable legs. This is saying nothing about how ASDs manifest in other people, because I can see how being on the lower-functioning part of the spectrum could be just as much of a drag as being confined to a wheelchair.



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16 Aug 2014, 9:18 am

Disadvantages of Asperger's: Asperger's

Disadvantages of being in a wheelchair: Being in a wheelchair.

Though, with either - views might differ as to how disabled you consider yourself to be.


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16 Aug 2014, 9:43 am

I think there are many people here who if they could take a pill and have no Asperger's anymore, they would refuse the pill. I think there are very few people who have lost the use of their legs and are dependent on a wheel chair that would refuse a treatment that would completely cure them.

I would say that one unique problem with a neurological condition like Asperger's is that many people will not see any visible disability and will judge any issues as matters of personal weakness or even lack of character. That would not be the case with someone with an obvious visible physical disability such as being in a wheel chair.


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16 Aug 2014, 9:49 am

I don't think I'd get used to walking normally even with the pill, it's really as much as a habit as anything else walking the way I do. I even lag behind when I play Second Life :P .


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16 Aug 2014, 1:59 pm

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You're forgetting that not all of us live in big cities where wheelchair ramps and elevators are common. The town closest to where I live would be a severe pain in the ass to navigate by wheelchair, and my house would be practically impossible with all the stairs and tight corridors, not to mention the rough terrain outside. IYou're forgetting that not all of us live in big cities where wheelchair ramps and elevators are common. The town closest to where I live would be a severe pain in the ass to navigate by wheelchair, and my house would be practically impossible with all the stairs and tight corridors, not to mention the rough terrain outside.
Well, of course it is! Lack of accommodations is a pain anywhere you go. Notice how the problem comes not from the fact that they are in a wheelchair; it comes from people who don't take their existence into account and build narrow hallways, stairways without nearby ramps, and public buildings without elevators. We have had wheelchairs since ancient Egypt, disabilities since prehistory, ramps since before Sumeria, elevators for a century, and creative brains since we were humans. We know people who cannot walk exist, and yet we persist in building things that they cannot access. That's ablism--it's not an inherent feature of the disability. It's like building houses with the front door on the second story, completely ignoring the fact that we cannot fly.

By the way, a note on language: The phrase "confined to a wheelchair" is rather annoying to many people who use wheelchairs. Think from their perspective: Without the wheelchair, they would be really stuck, unable to move long distances without someone else's help. The wheelchair is a vehicle, not a prison!--they are freer in it than out of it.


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16 Aug 2014, 8:38 pm

My dad's been using a wheelchair since his second bout with colon-rectal cancer. Says the biggest problem he has (other than inaccessible areas) is when he goes out with his school sports teams, the other people don't/can't seem to get he's the coach in charge, not the skinny 20 something kid just out of college that assists him.

My big problem is people don't seem to understand my autism doesn't mean I'm incapable of making decisions. Or even worse, that somehow my not being able to socially read people affects my hearing, so they shout slowly to me.



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16 Aug 2014, 8:48 pm

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My dad's been using a wheelchair since his second bout with colon-rectal cancer. Says the biggest problem he has (other than inaccessible areas) is when he goes out with his school sports teams, the other people don't/can't seem to get he's the coach in charge, not the skinny 20 something kid just out of college that assists him.

My big problem is people don't seem to understand my autism doesn't mean I'm incapable of making decisions. Or even worse, that somehow my not being able to socially read people affects my hearing, so they shout slowly to me.

Yup, ableism truly is a bigger problem then people might think.


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16 Aug 2014, 11:17 pm

I'm also not crazy about the term, "Confined to a wheelchair."


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17 Aug 2014, 3:29 am

I've never actually had to use a wheelchair, so from my perspective it would seem confining as compared to being able to walk. Of course for someone who is unable to walk, I can definitely see why a wheelchair would grant them some freedom.



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17 Aug 2014, 4:32 am

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I think there are many people here who if they could take a pill and have no Asperger's anymore, they would refuse the pill. I think there are very few people who have lost the use of their legs and are dependent on a wheel chair that would refuse a treatment that would completely cure them.

I would say that one unique problem with a neurological condition like Asperger's is that many people will not see any visible disability and will judge any issues as matters of personal weakness or even lack of character. That would not be the case with someone with an obvious visible physical disability such as being in a wheel chair.


I agree with both paragraphs.



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17 Aug 2014, 7:21 am

Then you should read the perspective of someone with a visible disability, which I've posted earlier.


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