Even the most skeptical skeptic has to admit it is bizarre

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22 Aug 2014, 12:42 pm

Why does it seem humans are so far removed from the earth and have been for thousands of years? You don't see it in the Chimpanzee, the Gorilla, the Lion, the Alligator. the Pigeon, the Aardvark, the Elk, the Reindeer, the Rabbit, the Squirrel, or any other species it's just humans that are like this.

I always marvel at how strange humans are and I never marvel at other species for this specific reason. I can see the logic in other species but humans are just different. They look toward the sky for everything and they communicate with stuff that isn't in physical form. This is a rare thing.

It seems like every other species belongs on earth except for humans and their true home is somewhere else.



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22 Aug 2014, 12:51 pm

It is a pretty amazing thing.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/1161 ... difference

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Our uniquely big brains evolved after our habit of walking on two legs. We can now trace our ancestry through a pretty continuous series of fossils, and are confident that our ancestors of three million years ago were members of the genus Australopithecus. The best-known australopithecine is Lucy?so called because the camp record player in Ethiopia was blaring out the Beatles? ?Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds? when the fossil hunters returned to camp with the momentous news of her discovery. Lucy had a chimp-sized brain but she walked on her hind legs. It is probably no accident that our brain started swelling like an evolutionary balloon after our hands were freed from the burden of walking and could concentrate on carrying food or manipulating tools.


Many religious origin stories are dedicated to parsing out that exact difference.



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22 Aug 2014, 1:00 pm

One think I found strange is that humans can't swim naturally, they have to learn. Chimps are also pretty bad swimmers I think. Most other mammals can swim naturally.



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22 Aug 2014, 1:06 pm

There might have been some genetic manipulation that occurred between Lucy and Modern Man perhaps involving visitors from another world.

And if you ever owned a breed of dog like Great Pyrenees, a member of the Mastiff family, or seen an elephant or even a cow, human brains aren't really that big compared to these...

EDIT: cow is a bad example. It's brain is actually quite small, I just looked it up. Its head just looks big but it has a small brain. A mouse, on the other hand, has a pretty good sized brain and it still seems quite bound to earthly pursuits as in, it doesn't spend a lot of its time thinking about extra terrestrial life (as in gods) the way humans have.

A whale has a pretty good sized brain yet it doesn't seem to care about gods and life in the sky.

Okay here's my point. Take a look at an elephant's brain. Compare it to that of a Brachiosaurus. The elephant brain is much larger yet these two animals pretty much do the same thing: forage, mate, raise young. Not sure if the Brachio live birthed like the elephant or laid eggs. They are not complicated animals and behave relatively similarly despite the difference in their brain size. They both walk on all fours.

Now let's look at a Meerkat. This little guy is capable of sitting and walking on hind legs yet it's brain is relatively small. It is a carnivore, too.
Also, there's other species of primate that walk on their hind legs yet they are pretty much the same and do not do a lot of evolving. They just stay the same. So? What is the answer.



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22 Aug 2014, 1:24 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
A mouse, on the other hand, has a pretty good sized brain and it still seems quite bound to earthly pursuits as in, it doesn't spend a lot of its time thinking about extra terrestrial life (as in gods) the way humans have.


That's what they want you to think. In reality mice run the planet, including NASA.

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22 Aug 2014, 1:27 pm

Those humans aren't from MY planet, that's for darn sure.........

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22 Aug 2014, 1:28 pm

Hehehehe.



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22 Aug 2014, 1:52 pm

But seriously, when you think about all the other animals...if they were capable of understanding what alien abductions are...that is how they would describe their relationship with human beings. We would be the E.T.s in their alien abductions stories.



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22 Aug 2014, 2:13 pm

TallyMan wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
A mouse, on the other hand, has a pretty good sized brain and it still seems quite bound to earthly pursuits as in, it doesn't spend a lot of its time thinking about extra terrestrial life (as in gods) the way humans have.


That's what they want you to think. In reality mice run the planet, including NASA.

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Can anyone else identify the payload in the background?


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22 Aug 2014, 2:22 pm

I'd don't really get what you are saying in the first post.

However we are undoubtedly successful. But think of this way: If you are dealt a hand of cards, and it turn out to be a very good hand. You may discount all those bad hands you had previously, and think that it can't possible down to chance, but in fact it can just as well be.

However we are not the person being dealt, we are the dealt cards themselves. So we only know relative to our frame of reference. We don't know of all the changes since time began.

Bacteria are also very successful, it is the earliest form of life we know. Our time on earth has been very small, there have been many successful species that have come and gone.

If you believe that it can't possible be this way without some higher power, then at least understand this opens up just as many questions as without. Abiogenesis and the birth of everything has the same issue with or without higher powers.



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22 Aug 2014, 2:26 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
There might have been some genetic manipulation that occurred between Lucy and Modern Man perhaps involving visitors from another world.

And if you ever owned a breed of dog like Great Pyrenees, a member of the Mastiff family, or seen an elephant or even a cow, human brains aren't really that big compared to these...

EDIT: cow is a bad example. It's brain is actually quite small, I just looked it up. Its head just looks big but it has a small brain. A mouse, on the other hand, has a pretty good sized brain and it still seems quite bound to earthly pursuits as in, it doesn't spend a lot of its time thinking about extra terrestrial life (as in gods) the way humans have.

A whale has a pretty good sized brain yet it doesn't seem to care about gods and life in the sky.

Okay here's my point. Take a look at an elephant's brain. Compare it to that of a Brachiosaurus. The elephant brain is much larger yet these two animals pretty much do the same thing: forage, mate, raise young. Not sure if the Brachio live birthed like the elephant or laid eggs. They are not complicated animals and behave relatively similarly despite the difference in their brain size. They both walk on all fours.

Now let's look at a Meerkat. This little guy is capable of sitting and walking on hind legs yet it's brain is relatively small. It is a carnivore, too.
Also, there's other species of primate that walk on their hind legs yet they are pretty much the same and do not do a lot of evolving. They just stay the same. So? What is the answer.

You start off with a reasonable premise - aren't humans weird compared to other animals? And then you go off the deep end. You have to realize that brains are proportional to animal size, so you can't make a direct comparison.

Humans have evolved relatively rapidly, but there's nothing supernatural or alien about it. We grew smart enough to use tools and hunt. Our meat diet allowed us to grow bigger brains and not have to sit around and eat all day, which left time to invent new tools, new hunting methods, etc. in a feedback loop. Remember monkeys and apes were already very intelligent species. Also, many (all) of the transitional forms between apes and modern humans have died out. There used to be a much larger variety of both around. Now that the bridge is gone, the gulf between us and them seems much wider.

We aren't any more removed from the Earth than ants or termites, who also build their own custom environment in which to live. They even farm.



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22 Aug 2014, 2:48 pm

I don't think I am removed farther from the earth than other animals. Nor do I look to the sky and talk to invisible things. Other humans do it because it offers them comfort.



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22 Aug 2014, 4:23 pm

What's so bizarre about it? Human beings evolved a brain to deal with specific sets of problems and to have specific strengths, one of which was being able to live in large social groups. Besides a brain that allows humans to speak we also have the good phonological apparel whereas chimps do not. A happy circumstance. We also have hands, whereas dolphins for instance do not, which allowed us to build tools. Unlike other apes we have culture or social learning that is passed on generation to generation. Some humans have imagination.

I don't see how those things couldn't have evolved like everything else did, humans could have a much higher number of specific intelligence genes than other animals, that came about by chance and got selected for.

Typical 'god of the gaps' arguments never hold any real weight when it comes to explanatory power. I could use elaborate made up stories to explain just about anything and in the end not really know any more about them.


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22 Aug 2014, 6:54 pm

It's higher brain function which divorces us from the earth as you say. We're able to manipulate the world around us in ways that objectify it and turn it into a commodity. Our animal instincts are usually repressed too which divorces us even further. If you were to come into contact with a child raised by wolves you would have that same reaction. Look at thoroughly domesticated dogs also, they're just as divorced from the wild as we are.


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22 Aug 2014, 9:13 pm

It's our extreme propensity to project our future and past *expectations* (thanks auto fill) into the present moment, and our general avoidance of the present that leads to the catastrophe that we now all bare witness to. And I wouldn't discredit the behaviors of other animals as primitive so quickly, consider just how little we even know about our own subjective experiences.


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22 Aug 2014, 9:30 pm

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I'd don't really get what you are saying in the first post.

However we are undoubtedly successful. But think of this way: If you are dealt a hand of cards, and it turn out to be a very good hand. You may discount all those bad hands you had previously, and think that it can't possible down to chance, but in fact it can just as well be.

However we are not the person being dealt, we are the dealt cards themselves. So we only know relative to our frame of reference. We don't know of all the changes since time began.

Bacteria are also very successful, it is the earliest form of life we know. Our time on earth has been very small, there have been many successful species that have come and gone.

If you believe that it can't possible be this way without some higher power, then at least understand this opens up just as many questions as without. Abiogenesis and the birth of everything has the same issue with or without higher powers.


You mention higher power in your post and by this I assume you are referring to the biblical God? First off, let me briefly explain. I do not believe 100% with what is said about a higher power in the Bible. I take it with a grain of salt. I recognize first and foremost, the Bible is written by HUMAN BEINGS, not a higher power, unless you consider them higher powers in their own right because many of them were kings and high priests that wrote the various books of the Bible.

What I DO believe is supported by science. There are higher powers all around us, meaning, we are at their mercy, they are not at ours. I also firmly believe human beings are not the be-all, end-all supreme knowledge giants they think they are. That is their often over inflated egos speaking. I see humans as the puny species it is in relationship to the entire universe or even this solar system and sometimes, this planet. Yes, we can still be taken out by one enormous volcanic eruption. Earth has some power over us, still. We have a little bit of science but it is not enough, at this point, to qualify us as anything but puny in my eyes.

However, as puny we are, we still are separate from the other species that inhabit this planet. All these species seem to be engaged in lifelong synchronization with the rest of the planet that is an essential, fundamental part of their evolution. The exception being the rare species of bacteria that has terribly upset the delicate balance but were crucial in the development of the earth's oxygen-rich atmosphere none-the-less. We do not appear to be involved in this synchronization. What we do is often at odds with the evolution of other species and Earth. We are destructive and we wreck havoc all over the place. We recognize that we do not feel at home here, always searching for life elsewhere, either on other planets, in space, or with various omniscient entities that are not of this world, the exception being Hinduism and similar type religions that rely on the forces of nature to provide them with gods. However, they do write so much about what seems like alien sky-gods in their various holy books so they are not entirely off the hook, either.

All this speculating and dreaming of sky beings and other worlds is not connected to this earth the way other creatures are. It is just a fact. Look around and compare. It will become glaringly obvious.