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25 Sep 2014, 9:27 am

What do you guys think, are gender differences something we are born with, or are they taught to us by society?



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25 Sep 2014, 1:40 pm

sex you are born with (whethre you have a penis or a vagina), and you have dispositions from that typicaly - like being more aggresive as a male and being more sociall as a female. much of gender though, whih i would define as the roles society assigns to the sexes, is just that - you are assigned and traind in them, not born with them. girls arent born wearing dresses, boys arent born wearing trousers


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25 Sep 2014, 3:43 pm

WildTaltos wrote:
sex you are born with (whethre you have a penis or a vagina), and you have dispositions from that typicaly - like being more aggresive as a male and being more sociall as a female. much of gender though, whih i would define as the roles society assigns to the sexes, is just that - you are assigned and traind in them, not born with them. girls arent born wearing dresses, boys arent born wearing trousers


I would mostly agree. I think there is a difference between "gender" and "gender construct" though.

The gender construct has to do societal roles for the sexes. It is a gender construct that men don't wear dresses. If they like to wear them, does that make their gender female?
I don't think so, that's just a construct.
I think gender is what sex you identify with. I think that the gender construct confuses this and makes it difficult for people.

Mostly, I think people throw all logic and evidence out the window on this subject and when it isn't ignored, they don't address any part of it and just go with it as they please. And as always, annoying people are annoying and some of those people get involved too and throw it in everyone's faces.



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25 Sep 2014, 3:45 pm

Look at how gender roles seem to be similar across many cultures, and I think that points to something inborn.


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25 Sep 2014, 4:10 pm

I think gender is something you're born with. You have something in you that is part of you from the get-go, and that won't change with circumstances/environment. There might be environments where it's better/safer to suppress the ways in which you don't fit the expected gender norms but that won't make you any different on the inside.

I always had some tomboy traits, and no amount of giving me dolls made me take an interest in dressing them up or play with them in the usual 'girly' way, nor did I care about playing house. I liked plushies and cars, and I played a lot of fighting games. For the most part I was allowed to be myself. When someone tried to make me 'girlier' I rejected them and their views. I at least was born this way, and have followed my natural ways.

There are plenty of people who don't fit into the traditional gender roles and they shouldn't be made to. I think the fact that they don't naturally fit them shows that there is more to it than nurture.
It's hard to say how prevalent compatibility with gender roles is. Until there is a way to make sure children aren't influenced by anyone else's attitudes, there is no way of knowing, as most people care a lot about fitting in and not stand out, so they will conform to the expectations.


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25 Sep 2014, 4:14 pm

You're born with your gender, aren't you?

And then you learn your gender roles as you grow up.

Then you get to know whether you fit in to those stereotypes.

Then, if you don't you get a bit confused.

Then you find like minded people of a similar disposition.

Then you just get on with your life.

In my humble opinion.


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